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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:41pm
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Andyhawne

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Good afternoon all,thanks for having me. I am asking for a little advice. I own a property in Puerto de Mazzaron and will be moving out permanently in the new year. I am thinking about building a coarse, mainly carp, fishery in the local area and am currently looking at land and sorting through the legal minefield which seems to be normal in Spain. Is there a local angling group or does anyone in the local community already fish? It will be a sizeable investment, water, borehole,reservoir, land , legals etc. and any advice would be very welcome.

Many thanks, and once again, thankyou for having me in your group.

Toprod

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:23pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:23pm

Hi Andy

There is a couple of clubs i know of think there based in Alicante if you look on el bosquet fishery might be of help. Me and my neighbour go to el bosquet weekly we live on Camposol so about 1hour 45min drive so the quicker your up and running the better 👍🤣😂

Andyhawne

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:03pm

Andyhawne

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:03pm

Hi, thanks very much for your answer. I've looked at el bosquet and it looks like the nearest thing I can find to a uk style commercial fishery in spain. I'm just hoping there is enough local interest as the typically obstructive Spanish angling permits, licences, insurance etc etc make it look very difficult for holiday makers to legally fish. Do you know of anyone who has thought of fishing but given up when faced with the bureaucracy or do people just not bother to get all the licences? I would think the guardia would jump on it quite quickly as an "easy nick" but don't really know. Any advice or experiences would be very much welcome.

Many thanks.

Roland

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:47pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:47pm

You have to ask the question.

If it's such a good idea why has nobody thought of it before ??

Toprod

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:17pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:17pm

Dont know about holiday makers as I am a resident who lives here. As for getting a licence the owner of el bosquet gets them for you (cost €18) you do need licence for each region. From what i see theres plenty of anglers here in spain as theres plenty of matches being fished with good turn outs.

Hope this helps

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Andyhawne

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:32pm

Andyhawne

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:32pm

Roland wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:47pm:

You have to ask the question.

If it's such a good idea why has nobody thought of it before ??

My thoughts exactly! However, I am 50 now, looking to retire, but still wanting something to do. Also it is a big investment, currently looking at 250k plus, and if it doesn't make money it will still be a fun hobby just for me. I have a small lake in the uk which is not open to the public and will be giving that up so the money side isn't absolutely critical. I do, however, expect the authorities to make it ridiculously complicated! It would be nice though if it made a few quid!

Andyhawne

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:35pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:35pm

Toprod wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:17pm:

Dont know about holiday makers as I am a resident who lives here. As for getting a licence the owner of el bosquet gets them for you (cost €18) you do need licence for each region. From what i see theres plenty of anglers here in spain as theres plenty of matches being fished with good turn outs.

Hope this helps...

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Thanks very much. That sounds exactly what I want to hear! I've been looking and ,from what I can make out, anglers need a regional licence, an angling permit and then third party insurance and to get all these takes up to three weeks and the applicant also needs an NEI no. In the uk you just get it on line in one go! Looks like hard work but very willing to try. 

Again thanks very much for your advice, it is very much appreciated.

NickB

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:29am

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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:29am

Hi Andy,

I’m in 2 clubs (Rod and Reels and Abbey Angling), both have websites, but there is a third, Carp R Us. The majority of the members live around Cabo Roig, Villa Martin and Playa Flemenca, quesada, La Marina, etc (the large ex pat enclaves)  though there are members who are in based the UK, Holland, etc who come over and fish the odd match.

R&R and AA have basically the same members in them and there is 2 different clubs as it’s allows them more access to federation waters, which matches have to be allocated by club, so 2 clubs allows them twice the amount of matches. There are also a number of Spanish clubs who fish these waters, the reason for the allocation.

The Spanish clubs don’t tend to fish El Bosquet as it isn’t suited to the Spanish rules. No ledgering, poles max length 13m, bait must be off the bottom, no pellets, to name just a few. Though Brit clubs don’t have to follow these rules.

I only joined at the beginning of 2020 when I moved out here, so it’s been an terrible year due to Covid.

As stated by others, the main fishery, and the only one still open, is El B it’s by Crevillente. It’s a classic man made, UK match commercial. There are currently 2 matches a week there as there is no where else allowing fishing locally due to Covid. Think it’s regularly match fished by CRU also, plus a few pleasure anglers. Most matches there attract around 20 anglers.

As far as I’m aware there are no other commercials anywhere around this part of Spain, if any in Spain at all, just a few natural venues, but they are few and far between.

I can’t go anymore as I live in Murcia region and we can’t cross the boarders. However, if Valencia also shut their internal boarders, which they are talking about, that will put paid to most of the anglers going also. Therefore, nowhere will be viable until next summer.

They did fish other venues, like on the River Segura in the centre of Murcia. Used to love fishing there! However, this and other venues are controlled by the Murcia Federation who have suspended all match fishing until further notice due to C19.

You need both Murcia and Valencia Licenses, as El B is Valencia and the river is Murcia. I think most of the other venues they fished are in Valencia, but never got to go to them due to C19.
These are obtainable from a tackle shop in Torrevieja. The lady who runs it will do all the paperwork and get you the licenses for a very small fee. Something like €30 all in for the year. If you’re a pensioner it’s a one off fee, but under pension age it’s renewed yearly. On top we have to have a Murcia Federation card, somewhere around €25. Someone from the club will again get you these for a small fee. Again renewable yearly.

I don’t remember having to give my NIE, but it was a year ago, so might have been needed. Plus the prices I’ve quoted might be a bit off. However, the Federation card gives you the insurance. Generally it’s all very easy as there is always someone who will help. I know that some of the clubs members even helped by building some of the pegs at El B.

I seem to be one of the few anglers based this far south, Los Alcazares, but we do get one or two who come up from Andalusia, they can only fish matches by Spanish rules, as there are no British clubs in that region.

Doesn’t seem to be much of a specimen following, but that might be due to the venues we fish. A few pleasure anglers, around 4 to 5 each time we fish at El B, but again that could be because if they fish when there’s a match on they have limited water availability.

The upshot is a number of the anglers are fed up with El B, as it’s a typical hole in the ground fishery and there currently is no alternative. There are a lot of the older anglers who love the place (nearly all the clubs members are retired) as there’s no walking and you can park behind your peg. However, another commercial alternative would be great, and I suspect, if the right type of venue would be very extensively used.

Maybe somewhere further North than Mazarrón would be better, as there doesn’t seem to be too many anglers living that far south, and also given its location is quite difficult to get to. Tolls, mountains, etc.

The Spanish guy and his son who own El B don’t have much idea about what anglers need, and never ask advice or take any notice if offered, so, again, someone who understood the UK angling scene would offer, a much needed, viable alternative that I’m sure would be extensively used.

If you want any further information please don’t hesitate to contact me.

Roland

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:42am

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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:42am

I'm not a fisherman buts that's a cracking good post NickB.

Tony1948

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:28pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:28pm

Andyhawne wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:35pm:

Thanks very much. That sounds exactly what I want to hear! I've been looking and ,from what I can make out, anglers need a regional licence, an angling permit and then third party insurance and to get all these takes up to three weeks and the applicant also needs an NEI no. In the uk you just get...

... it on line in one go! Looks like hard work but very willing to try. 

Again thanks very much for your advice, it is very much appreciated.

I would make use of a Coarse Fishing venue close to Camposol.

We moved out here 2.5 yrs ago & I haven't been fishing yet. :(

I have a lot of kit sitting in my property.

Good luck with your potential project.

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