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BREXIT

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:08am
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Fem90

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Now we know the Conservatives won the election on the Bexit Mandate. The Expats must now seriously consider how this would affect their rights living in Spain if they are not residents and not retired.

It's a sad day to most of us but we need to focus on the positives and find out how we can put our fears to positive use.

Though we may have lost out voting rights as EU members, freedom of movement is still on the table for discussion.

Previously, residents were facing a no-deal scenario, but Spain has the   Royal Decree, and now some of us are now looking at the Withdrawal agreement being agreed. This should secure many of our rights in an international treaty for the rest of our lives. 

Some rights likely to be retained are the S1 medical cover, pension uprating, pension aggregation and more. But as already been mentioned above, voting rights and freedom of movement are being lost after the transition period 😭.

Of course, there would be no change until after the end of the transition period, probably end of Dec 2020, although it may well be extended despite Boris Johnson having vowed not to. However, we must think ahead, and look for ways to make our stay legal in the country.  Seek expert advice from your solicitors especially if you have properties here and all your eggs are in one basket.   Think about the health insurance in particular if you are of pension age.

This is devastating to most of us, but we must move on, and decide what is best. Friday the 13th has come alive, not very pleasing.

Micheltim

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:21am

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:21am

Hi Fem90. Thank you for posting this info. We are very disappointed with the election result but nevertheless had already decided to buy in El Algar, which the sale should be completed this coming week. 

We are over 60, non-resident, and have concerns re health insurance, etc, after Brexit, although to date, been quite healthy.  

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Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:58pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:58pm

I am very grateful to the Borris Johnson and the Conservative party for winning the general election in the UK...for the sake of Democracy and freedom of speech...if the likes of labour ever got in they would have nationalised gas/water/electric/telecommunications... costing the UK tax payers billions in the process ..they would have left any future government  with a massive mess to sort out ...the labour party used the slogan save our NHS from the Conservatives and privatisation...what they failed to say .. that it was  the Labour party that sold all the UK's gold reserves to private enterprise ..then they sold all the NHS hospital buildings & estates off to private enterprise and then rented the very same properties back at a cost to the UK Tax payer's of £8 billion in rents per year they also sold gas / water /electricity/telecommunications off..then Bankrupted the UK economy ...the Conservatives had one big mess to sort out after Blair /Brown ...the Conservatives have got the UK economy back on its feet... thanks Borris.

Fem90

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Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:56pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:56pm

frequent flyer wrote on Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:58pm:

I am very grateful to the Borris Johnson and the Conservative party for winning the general election in the UK...for the sake of Democracy and freedom of speech...if the likes of labour ever got in they would have nationalised gas/water/electric/telecommunications... costing the UK tax payers bil...

...lions in the process ..they would have left any future government  with a massive mess to sort out ...the labour party used the slogan save our NHS from the Conservatives and privatisation...what they failed to say .. that it was  the Labour party that sold all the UK's gold reserves to private enterprise ..then they sold all the NHS hospital buildings & estates off to private enterprise and then rented the very same properties back at a cost to the UK Tax payer's of £8 billion in rents per year they also sold gas / water /electricity/telecommunications off..then Bankrupted the UK economy ...the Conservatives had one big mess to sort out after Blair /Brown ...the Conservatives have got the UK economy back on its feet... thanks Borris.

Frequentflyer, I am not talking about politics here but just mentioning how it's gonna affect most of us regarding those would no longer be viewed as EU citizens.

The matter of the case is that there are many unknown facts that still need to be ironed out between UK and Brussels. Just to be aware that we are all in this BOAT together, and maybe, STORMY weather ahead.

People should now start to put their plans together after BREXIT. How is it going to affect the individual and what would be the resolutions to questions or problems that some of us might face in the near future.

If you have any advice with regards to the effects that we may experience after Brexit, kindly share it with us.

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Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:00pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:00pm

All the article's I have read on health care for expats in Spain ..are saying that the UK Conservative government will continue to pay ..the Spanish government for the health care that they provide to UK citizens of pensionable age that reside in Spain this is a bilateral agreement between the UK & Spain nothing to do with the EU ...as for the EHIC card that allows all UK citizens to receive free emergency treatment whilst on holiday in the EU..as of yet no agreement has been reach between the EU & the UK... leaving the EU is going to make it very very difficult for you if you are ducking and diving... around the system.

Christine 75

Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:04pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:04pm

As a long term resident of Spain, I have received letters from DWP in England assuring me my status as a fiscal resident of Spain will not change after Brexit. i.e. my state pension will continue to be paid with relevant increases, and my SHS payment will also continue as normal.  I have nothing to do except keep my passport up to date. I also received a letter from Mazarron  Council inviting me to present myself  for interview to confirm I am alive, and want to continue living here after Brexit   I don't think anyone who has already bought property here and pays all relevant taxes has anything to worry about. Even if you are not resident Spain will still want your money! It might be a different story for the ones who have no property, pay no taxes, won't register for anything that will leave an identity trail etc.

Fem90

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Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:27pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:27pm

Chritine75, Frequentflyer. We are all on the ball here. So no problem.  This forum is to enlighten one another on any issues that affect the expats.

Well done all of you.

Fem90

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Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:41pm

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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:41pm

Things you have to consider seriously is whether you would like to be a resident or non-resident, ... within the 183 days stay in Spain.

If you have assets worth £50,000 or  more and you are a resident in Spain, you would be within Spanish tax category. If for example, you have a house in the UK worth over £50K, you WILL pay tax on that property in Spain.  However, in the UK, we don't pay tax on the property until it's sold, attracting capital gains...

NHS treatment in the UK is free while health scheme is not free in Spain. You must have enough money to be able to pay for this premium monthly.

It's a lovely life living in Spain, but we must educate ourselves on the governance of Spanish Law. Always seek for guidance from your solicitors.

Just basic points to bear in mind. By end of Dec 2020, negotiations between UK and the EU would have been fully discussed and clarified our status, especially non residents in Spain.

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Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:28am

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:28am

The ultimate example of optimism......

“By end of Dec 2020, negotiations between UK and the EU would have been fully discussed and clarified our status, especially non residents in Spain.”

Micheltim

Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:28pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:28pm

Absolutely!  I like it 👍

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