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Well said I’ve also spent a lot of money buying a holiday home here and spend in the bars and restaurants more than I do in the UK. I’m also fed up of the UK being trashed all the time. You are so right. 

The 180 days FB group is asking for parity between the UK and the Schengen block they are not asking to be treated differently but on an equal footing to what the UK allows to the Schengen block countries. 

Well said Paul

What travel documents are needed in order to enjoy visa-free travel to the Schengen area? A passport issued within the previous 10 years and valid for at least three months after the intended date of departure from the Schengen area. Does the visa waiver give you the right to enter the territory of the Schengen States?The visa waiver does not give an unconditional right of entry and stay. The Member States have the right to refuse entry and stay in their territories if one or more of the entry conditions are not met. For stays not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, the entry conditions for third-country nationals are the following: (a) possession of a valid travel document or documents authorising them to cross the border; (b) justifying the purpose and conditions of the intended stay, having sufficient means of subsistence, both for the duration of the intended stay and for the return; (c) not to be a person for whom an alert has been issued in the Schengen Information System (SIS) for the purposes of refusing entry; (d) not to be considered to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health or the international relations of any of the Member States, in particular where no alert has been issued in Member States’ national data bases for the purposes of refusing entry on the same grounds. 

Hi all i have a question , as re the amohng of time allowed to stay as non resident, obviousely flights and virus permiting, is one month on and one month off allowed thru the shole year ?

It's like a  minefield going through replies that are in no way a response to the first question i.e. can we in the UK have parity with the spanish. They enjoy 180days in the UK and we in turn who own property here in Spain would like to have the same. Not a difficult question nor should the answer be!

It's a rolling 90 days in any 180 days. Here's a link to the Schengen calculator. https://ec.europa.eu/assets/home/visa-calculator/calculator.htm?lang=en

Well technically you are allowed 180 days in Spain/Schengen countries as a Third Country National.

It is just 90 days in any 180 on a rolling basis - so maximum is 90 days in any one continuous stay.

You wil find it is not just Spain that imposes these limits, it is an EU directive which the UK is no longer part of, so UK Nationals are treated the same as any other non-EU Nationals.

It really is quite simple.

I am not sure that all the bars and restaurants and airports will be closing because some people cannot spend more than 90 days at their holiday home.

You would really be cutting off your nose to spite your face if you decide not to visit your holiday home because you can only stay for 90 days.

Then when you decide to sell when the property prices are plunging, that would not be a great move either.

There is nothing wrong with the 180 days campaign per se, but it would require a law change and agreement with the whole of the EU not just Spain - I just can't see it happening especially for the reasons put forward.

As it is likely to affect such a small percentage of the population it is unlikely that it would get much traction.

The best way round is to start a campaign to re-join the EU!

There are so many people who didn't vote to leave, that feel unrepresented (a bit like all the UK voters who didn't vote Conservative), that there is bound to be an apetite for it.

Plus it gives some people a cause to get behind and then others to jump aboard that particular band wagon.

Hi Mitch

                My understanding is that Spain & other EU countries could allow non EU home owners a visa that allows them to spend more time in there holiday homes without an EU law change, the current 90 day rule only applies to EU Countries who have signed the Schengen Agreement so if a Spainish holiday home owner wanted to holiday in France for 14 days this would automatically reduce the time that they can spend in there Spanish holiday home, but they can visit a EU Country like Croatia as they are not currently a member of the Schengen Agreement without affecting there 90 days in Spain so there is scope for different rules within the EU community.

As for the UK rejoining the EU well that's not going to happen I agree lots of people didn't bother to vote in the referendum but as a demecratic country the Goverment must abide by that result, and before anybody asks we owned property in Spain before the referendum took place and we voted remain in that referendum.

We have no intention of selling our holiday home but I will continue to campaign for the 180 day rule as we pay our Spanish non residence tax on our Villa and contribute to the Spanish, Mazarron & Murcian area economy and would happily pay extra on our tax for a visa that allows us more time in Spain, bars and restaurants will survive but I'm convinced  that in the future the 90 day rule will have an impact on what countries people decide to buy holiday homes in future years.

Phil.