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Will spain change its mind......

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:01pm
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Twinselect

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Hi everyone

Just trying to get ex pats opinions on spain staying in the EU.

Doing lots of reading / listening about this, I truly believe spain will leave the eu at some point. As it appears Germany & France run the European Union & all other countries have to abide by there rules. Yes those 2 countries are dominant parties, but the idea of being A Union is that every country has a equal share on decisions , not be told by these 2 leaders.

Also spain is on its knees financially ( obviously covid hasn't helped ) but spain need tourists & foreigners buying property & businesses to help boost tax income & employment. 

Spain was a lot more financially better off as an independent state & yes they are helped with this being a member of the E U, but then they also have to contribute to be a member, whilst also having to be told how much & to whom they trade with.

There was a little whisper recently,  spain was getting fed up with being in the E U for various reasons,  but probably feel trapped being a member of state & also financially not being in a position financially to pay back the money borrowed. 

I feel over time spain will realise they have to deal with this. And in the mean time foreigners my look elsewhere to visit, buy, set up a business & employ local residents.  Portugal is already proving popular for this.

Thoughts appreciated. 

Stay safe.

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:53pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:53pm

Twinselect wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:01pm:

Hi everyone

Just trying to get ex pats opinions on spain staying in the EU.

Doing lots of reading / listening about this, I truly believe spain will leave the eu at some point. As it appears Germany & France run the European Union & all other countries have to abide by there rules. Yes those 2 countries are dominant parties, but the idea of being A Union is that every country has a equal share on decisions , not be told by these 2 leaders.

Also spain is on its knees financially ( obviously covid hasn't helped ) but spain need tourists & foreigners buying property & businesses to help boost tax income & employment. 

Spain was a lot more financially better off as an independent state & yes they are helped with this being a member of the E U, but then they also have to contribute to be a member, whilst also having to be told how much & to whom they trade with.

There was a little whisper recently,  spain was getting fed up with being in the E U for various reasons,  but probably feel trapped being a member of state & also financially not being in a position financially to pay back the money borrowed. 

I feel over time spain will realise they have to deal with this. And in the mean time foreigners my look elsewhere to visit, buy, set up a business & employ local residents.  Portugal is already proving popular for this.

Thoughts appreciated. 

Stay safe.

Whispers, whispers, oh those whispers...... There will always be those who have made a terrible mistake and are desperate to persuade others to do the same! There is more evidence though, that shows that the majority of other EU countries' politicians feel pity towards the UK for having shot themselves in the foot, rather than wishing to follow them into obscurity! The UK is now trying so hard to justify its decision and is scrabbling about trying to sort out the chaos that it has created and has now started the blame game, blaming everyone else but itself! Spain has done very well out of being a member of the EU. Without the various grants that Spain has received, it would still be a relatively backward country with terrible roads and other communication systems. Instead we have wonderful roads and a rail system that the UK can only dream about having one day. The EU has allowed Spain to do this and more. Some of us were living here before Spain joined the EU and can personally remember how far it has come since then. I think that Spain knows which side its bread is buttered! With the greatest respect to those "ex-pats" who do, I would guess that the majority of those who insist on calling themselves "ex-pats" and not "immigrants", don't speak enough Spanish to understand the country's politics and don't watch Spanish TV and so are unlikely to have an educated opinion on the subject.

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:56pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:56pm

Mags44 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:53pm:

Whispers, whispers, oh those whispers...... There will always be those who have made a terrible mistake and are desperate to persuade others to do the same! There is more evidence though, that shows that the majority of other EU countries' politicians feel pity towards the UK for having shot them...

...selves in the foot, rather than wishing to follow them into obscurity! The UK is now trying so hard to justify its decision and is scrabbling about trying to sort out the chaos that it has created and has now started the blame game, blaming everyone else but itself! Spain has done very well out of being a member of the EU. Without the various grants that Spain has received, it would still be a relatively backward country with terrible roads and other communication systems. Instead we have wonderful roads and a rail system that the UK can only dream about having one day. The EU has allowed Spain to do this and more. Some of us were living here before Spain joined the EU and can personally remember how far it has come since then. I think that Spain knows which side its bread is buttered! With the greatest respect to those "ex-pats" who do, I would guess that the majority of those who insist on calling themselves "ex-pats" and not "immigrants", don't speak enough Spanish to understand the country's politics and don't watch Spanish TV and so are unlikely to have an educated opinion on the subject.

WOW

Ok, my listing was nothing to do with brexit or the uk. it was just opinions on will spain stay in the EU forever ?

So don't understand why you've jumped on brexit obviously anti british [ even though you are British born & bread but live in spain ] 

well my opinion is, spain will leave or maybe the eu will dissolve as they do have a habit of annoying or dictating countries along the line. i was in greece during the world wide crash & greece was crying out for help from the eu [ which they got ] but only after bending over backwards & being forced to agree a financial situation that will take decades to re pay.

thought the eu all bat for the same team, but obviously not on some occasions. spain have now borrowed a crazy amount of money from the eu bank, if the economy carries on struggling due to covid & the following recession. spain may need to ask for help, i wonder [ just like greece ]  what difficulties spain will face & then people like you will realise the eu aren't always on the same team ?

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:29pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:29pm

Why should Spain leave the EU?

Each Country pays a “membership fee”.

Then each Country can submit applications for subsidies:

In 2019 Spain:

Paid    € 11.810 Mio.

Received € 11.266 Mio.

                 2015             2016              2017

Paid         13.695 Mio    11.592 Mio    9.664 Mio

Received  10.329 Mio   11.075  Mio   9.615 Mio

These figures are published on the EU web page!


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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:50pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:50pm

eraser wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:29pm:

Why should Spain leave the EU?

Each Country pays a “membership fee”.

Then each Country can submit applications for subsidies:

In 2019 Spain:

Paid    € 11.810 Mio.

Received € 11.266 Mio.

                 2015             2016              2017

Paid         13.695 Mio    11.592 Mio    9.664 Mio

Received  10.329 Mio   11.075  Mio   9.615 Mio

These figures are published on the EU web page!


Hi

Thanks for your reply. Im not saying spain should leave  I just think its a possibility. it's only my opinion & I do respect everyone else's even if they don't agree with me.

If everyone else think they shouldn't thats absolutely fine, for a country we love ( Spain ) I just don't want to see them miss out or be dictated too by 2 obvious leaders elsewhere. Whom seem to have more say than there other partners.

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:05pm

It's a really interesting question.   

I think looking at Greece gives some pointers.  Financially they did really well from joining the EU then found themselves in massive debt.   They wanted out but then back-peddled when a failed  State was their short-term future.

If Spain did leave, they would have to go back to their old currency which would get massively devalued. But then economically they would probably boom.

I don't think Spain has the stomach to get out...and I don't blame them. The Euro is considered a stable currency.

There is talk, however, that the whole European project might fail if it starts to drain the resources of Germany and France.

PeterC

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:52pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:52pm

I first visited Spain in the late 60s - very scenic and cheap (for a Brit), but lots of abject poverty, awful trunk roads, unsurfaced tracks in the country, people living on so little....it was transformed by EEC cash.

Ali52

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:11am

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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:11am

Well, all the people I talk to are happy being in the EU. The EU has treated Spain very well, and of course they benefit from freedom of movement etc etc. No I cannot see them as being as criminally stupid as the UK. Time will tell of course, but no signs yet.

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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:14am

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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:14am

PS: When you say foreigners will look elsewhere, you can only mean the British. Nothing has changed for the EU. Please remember Portugal is also in the EU, so same Schengen  rules apply. 

Twinselect

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:33am

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Maximus wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:05pm:

It's a really interesting question.   

I think looking at Greece gives some pointers.  Financially they did really well from joining the EU then found themselves in massive debt.   They wanted out but then back-peddled when a failed  State was their short-term future.

If Spain did leave, they would have to go back to their old currency which would get massively devalued. But then economically they would probably boom.

I don't think Spain has the stomach to get out...and I don't blame them. The Euro is considered a stable currency.

There is talk, however, that the whole European project might fail if it starts to drain the resources of Germany and France.

Hi

Thank you for a very well put reply.

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