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andymac1951 wrote on Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:42pm:
Methinks you meant to me answer the Mags comment Graham.
Sorry that was for mags
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:03pm
andymac1951 wrote on Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:42pm:
Methinks you meant to me answer the Mags comment Graham.
I love the part saying they feel pity for the UK politicians? Jealous comes to my mind p off is another.And oh we've got rather alot less coming into the EU coffers now how are we going to make ends meet is another.Think Boris was right on one thing though?greed and capitalism got the orders in for jabs long before the EU thought about it.Some may think that's wrong?But you hafto be strong to save lives.Thats my military thinking coming in their.But like the original Q asked ?I will guarantee each country will pull back from centralisation and have a more hands on input into their own people's lives.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:36pm
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Gaza wrote on Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:03pm:
I love the part saying they feel pity for the UK politicians? Jealous comes to my mind p off is another.And oh we've got rather alot less coming into the EU coffers now how are we going to make ends meet is another.Think Boris was right on one thing though?greed and capitalism got the orders in f...
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...or jabs long before the EU thought about it.Some may think that's wrong?But you hafto be strong to save lives.Thats my military thinking coming in their.But like the original Q asked ?I will guarantee each country will pull back from centralisation and have a more hands on input into their own people's lives.
Great Post.
Thank you
Ali52 wrote on Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:11am:
Well, all the people I talk to are happy being in the EU. The EU has treated Spain very well, and of course they benefit from freedom of movement etc etc. No I cannot see them as being as criminally stupid as the UK. Time will tell of course, but no signs yet.
Can you define the phrase CRIMINALLY STUPID. Looks exciting in print I’d be very interested in your explanation.
Twinselect wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:01pm:
Hi everyone
Just trying to get ex pats opinions on spain staying in the EU.
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Doing lots of reading / listening about this, I truly believe spain will leave the eu at some point. As it appears Germany & France run the European Union & all other countries have to abide by there rules. Yes those 2 countries are dominant parties, but the idea of being A Union is that every country has a equal share on decisions , not be told by these 2 leaders.
Also spain is on its knees financially ( obviously covid hasn't helped ) but spain need tourists & foreigners buying property & businesses to help boost tax income & employment.
Spain was a lot more financially better off as an independent state & yes they are helped with this being a member of the E U, but then they also have to contribute to be a member, whilst also having to be told how much & to whom they trade with.
There was a little whisper recently, spain was getting fed up with being in the E U for various reasons, but probably feel trapped being a member of state & also financially not being in a position financially to pay back the money borrowed.
I feel over time spain will realise they have to deal with this. And in the mean time foreigners my look elsewhere to visit, buy, set up a business & employ local residents. Portugal is already proving popular for this.
Thoughts appreciated.
Stay safe.
In answer to your question I also believe Spain will leave the EU. I’ve posted before I believe Italy will be next and that others will follow. In regard to asking a question or posting an opinion on the forum there are rules and there are certainties. Rules are do not question or say anything negative regarding the EU. Certainty is Mags and Ali will answer any posts by referring to Brexit. It’s ingrained unfortunately. I’m hopefully moving to Spain in the future and I am Irish, so I don’t really care about Brexit. I also agree with your first assertion on Mags being anti British. Pity when people turn their backs on their country of birth but I am sure there is a good reason so good luck to her.
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:57am
Mellee07 wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:20am:
In answer to your question I also believe Spain will leave the EU. I’ve posted before I believe Italy will be next and that others will follow. In regard to asking a question or posting an opinion on the forum there are rules and there are certainties. Rules are do not question or say anything ...
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...negative regarding the EU. Certainty is Mags and Ali will answer any posts by referring to Brexit. It’s ingrained unfortunately. I’m hopefully moving to Spain in the future and I am Irish, so I don’t really care about Brexit. I also agree with your first assertion on Mags being anti British. Pity when people turn their backs on their country of birth but I am sure there is a good reason so good luck to her.
What a good reply well said.As for coming over to live ?just a little advise.If you buy a semi or townhouse or a flat Apartment make sure the adjoining walls are more than 3 inches thick?.You can here an ant fart believe me and contrary to what others say the infrastructure is not so clever either.Looks good from a distance but it's cheap and cheerful.As for the drainage system?Think Greece? For some reason they installed the wrong sized pipes for the Loos? And must put loo roll in bins.Thats not quite the same here but it would help when we have a monsoon here so to speak because the drains can't take it.Anyway nice Q on the the EU it was interesting to say the least haha take care.
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:35am
Mags44 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:53pm:
Whispers, whispers, oh those whispers...... There will always be those who have made a terrible mistake and are desperate to persuade others to do the same! There is more evidence though, that shows that the majority of other EU countries' politicians feel pity towards the UK for having shot them...
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...selves in the foot, rather than wishing to follow them into obscurity! The UK is now trying so hard to justify its decision and is scrabbling about trying to sort out the chaos that it has created and has now started the blame game, blaming everyone else but itself! Spain has done very well out of being a member of the EU. Without the various grants that Spain has received, it would still be a relatively backward country with terrible roads and other communication systems. Instead we have wonderful roads and a rail system that the UK can only dream about having one day. The EU has allowed Spain to do this and more. Some of us were living here before Spain joined the EU and can personally remember how far it has come since then. I think that Spain knows which side its bread is buttered! With the greatest respect to those "ex-pats" who do, I would guess that the majority of those who insist on calling themselves "ex-pats" and not "immigrants", don't speak enough Spanish to understand the country's politics and don't watch Spanish TV and so are unlikely to have an educated opinion on the subject.
This answer is the best! The original write is just trying to justify the stupid British decision to leave the EU (are you one of these, while still wanting to live in Spain?) while trying to hint for Spain leaving it. No, spain would not have been better without it - it would have been still extremely poor and backward without "Germany and France telling it what to do..." - i don't want to think how much money from the German's tax payer guess into helping spain (remember bailout?).
So, no: the Spanish are not stupid (no offense, but not my thinking about the Brits) to leave the only thing that actually helped them . Without it they would go back to the 80s (which in a couple of years probably happen to the UK). They know better.
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:56am
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Citizen Cane wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:35am:
This answer is the best! The original write is just trying to justify the stupid British decision to leave the EU (are you one of these, while still wanting to live in Spain?) while trying to hint for Spain leaving it. No, spain would not have been better without it - it would have been still ext...
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...remely poor and backward without "Germany and France telling it what to do..." - i don't want to think how much money from the German's tax payer guess into helping spain (remember bailout?).
So, no: the Spanish are not stupid (no offense, but not my thinking about the Brits) to leave the only thing that actually helped them . Without it they would go back to the 80s (which in a couple of years probably happen to the UK). They know better.
Hi
Thank you for your opinion much appreciated.
And just to answer the section above ( justifying brexit but wants to live in Spain). I actually voted to stay in the EU. but since then I have changed my mind about the EU and now see it in a different light.
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:12am
Twinselect wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:56am:
Hi
Thank you for your opinion much appreciated.
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And just to answer the section above ( justifying brexit but wants to live in Spain). I actually voted to stay in the EU. but since then I have changed my mind about the EU and now see it in a different light.
The only downside to the EU is the vaccines case, which we see now (and Germany is suffering from it more than Spain, actually: there are almost no vaccines at all, in the land that "tells the other what to do", and it causes a lot of anger by the people there - which is understandable.).
However, if you leave this point aside, leaving the EU is a stupid stupid mistake, and the Spanish will not do the same mistake (which in the UK came not from a rational side - financially, for example - but a stupid nationalist feeling by a very certain type of people. Compare to the US: let's storm the Capitol - same same) because, as said before: they know where the butter is spread - they know how they were before, and how they are now. I guess you didn't know them 40-50 years ago, but they remember..... Without EU they will go back to riding donkies in the mountains (not a racist comment - it was like that).
Mellee07 wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:43am:
Can you define the phrase CRIMINALLY STUPID. Looks exciting in print I’d be very interested in your explanation.
Quite happy to.
Some of the people in the UK have voted to, isolate themselves from their biggest partner, Europe,: to make life harder for themselves, by allowing this government to undermine hard won rights, paid holidays, minimum wage, security of tenure etc etc.
To allow the government to sell of assets, eg NHS: mineral rights to companies on land in our 'protected' national parks: And of course US the people. We are going to lose so much.
But Johnson, Rees Mogg et al. They are making a killing. How much went to their cronies with those huge amounts of money given to companies who had no experience in manufacturing, to produce PPE. The famous track and trace, which has been a disaster, and a complete failure. The only thing the government got right was the vaccination programme. And why did they get it right?? Because they handed it over to the poor tired overworked NHS. Who did it brilliantly.
And now we get even more information about abuse of power with this government. £70k spent on beauty products for Priti Patel??? £thousands spent on Johnsons bit on the side. All from the public purse.
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