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Camposol February 8th Meeting ??

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 12:46pm
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What happened at the meeting ??

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Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:09pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:09pm

Hi Roland, here is a summary I posted last night. Hope it helps

I posted the below summary of today’s meeting, on another thread, in response to a question. It is my summary and I am sure everyone will have their own opinion of how the meeting went, so I will let you have mine. 

The meeting was a series of presentations, firstly by the mayor, Gaspar Miras, then from Gines Campillo and finally from the lawyer who is looking after the legal issues.  The focus was on what is planned for the future, rather than mulling over what has gone wrong in previous administrations. 

There was a list of things that have been completed over the past three years, with an acceptance that the big issues of the Rambla, lights and roads, are still work in progress. The point was made that it is better to do things properly rather than quickly. There are plans and legal documents in place for improvements to the lighting on public roads, the rerouting of the Rambla, the resurfacing of Covachos and the replacement of the bridge from C to B with a new one in the original location.  They were keen to point out that much of the planning and preparation work that had not been carried out by previous administrations, was now in place, so whoever wins the next election can continue with the work. 

They are hoping that many of the approvals needed will come at the next plenary session of the council in March. They undertook to keep residents informed by posting information on the town hall website.  

There is also a legal requirement to change the status of Camposol so that the town hall can take over the role of the  developer to continue the work on Camposol. What is not clear is how any expenditure over and above the €2.9 million will be met. In fact no one knows what has to be spent and on what until the legal status is confirmed. They did say that there was no obstacle to the €2.9 million being spent while the legal process is underway. The lighting on Camposol is part of a wider project dealing with issues in other parts of the municipality and is expected to be completed by the end of 2023. The council will be writing to all home owners on Camposol outlining the change of legal status of Camposol and seeking observations and approval of the plan.

The mayor said that people should not believe the lies put forward by some people about Camposol. Specifically and amongst others, the claim that the Rambla will not be rerouted is false. The claim that the houses on the Rambla will be demolished is also false, as is the claim that the bridge from C to B will not be rebuilt. 

There were questions from the audience about the lack of policing on the urbanisation. There is no promise of extra police, however a hope that there will be an improvement once the current crop of 12 recruits complete their training. All the questions came from concerned residents rather than any representative bodies, and many involved issues that were particularly personal to the questioner. 

Generally, the meeting went without the usual shouting that takes place, save for one individual, who was quickly put in his place by Silvana. There were, perhaps surprisingly give the publicity on the subject, people who were not aware that communities of owners exist on each poligono and once this was explained by Silvana, they asked how they could activate theirs.

Earlier in the day, the lawyer for the CRA did post that the document issued by the town hall yesterday, should be considered to be a positive. 

So, was the meeting positive? Well, there were comments from people that they have heard it all many times before and there must be an election coming up, which of course there is. Overall, I would say that it was more positive than other meetings I have been to. There are clear plans of action, however I have not lived here for 20 years and have only had one previous election, so I am not as worn down as others and my glass is still half full. I have been involved in several meetings with council officials and councillors about some of the small things we are trying to achieve and have to say, I have always found them to be helpful and accommodating to requests, but then again I don’t shout at them, accuse them of corruption and threaten to sue them. As bad as my Spanish is, I show them the respect of at least trying to communicate in the language of the country we chose to live in. I have another such meeting tomorrow and keep my fingers crossed for a positive outcome.

Apologies for the length of the reply. It is only my opinion and should not be considered that of anyone I know, may have worked with or may work with in the future.😇😇

Any questions, please ask?

hilaryskitchen

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:37pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:37pm

LeginSenoj wrote on Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:09pm:

Hi Roland, here is a summary I posted last night. Hope it helps

I posted the below summary of today’s meeting, on another thread, in response to a question. It is my summary and I am sure everyone will have their own opinion of how the meeting went, so I will let you have mine. 

The meeting was a series of presentations, firstly by the mayor, Gaspar Miras, then from Gines Campillo and finally from the lawyer who is looking after the legal issues.  The focus was on what is planned for the future, rather than mulling over what has gone wrong in previous administrations. 

There was a list of things that have been completed over the past three years, with an acceptance that the big issues of the Rambla, lights and roads, are still work in progress. The point was made that it is better to do things properly rather than quickly. There are plans and legal documents in place for improvements to the lighting on public roads, the rerouting of the Rambla, the resurfacing of Covachos and the replacement of the bridge from C to B with a new one in the original location.  They were keen to point out that much of the planning and preparation work that had not been carried out by previous administrations, was now in place, so whoever wins the next election can continue with the work. 

They are hoping that many of the approvals needed will come at the next plenary session of the council in March. They undertook to keep residents informed by posting information on the town hall website.  

There is also a legal requirement to change the status of Camposol so that the town hall can take over the role of the  developer to continue the work on Camposol. What is not clear is how any expenditure over and above the €2.9 million will be met. In fact no one knows what has to be spent and on what until the legal status is confirmed. They did say that there was no obstacle to the €2.9 million being spent while the legal process is underway. The lighting on Camposol is part of a wider project dealing with issues in other parts of the municipality and is expected to be completed by the end of 2023. The council will be writing to all home owners on Camposol outlining the change of legal status of Camposol and seeking observations and approval of the plan.

The mayor said that people should not believe the lies put forward by some people about Camposol. Specifically and amongst others, the claim that the Rambla will not be rerouted is false. The claim that the houses on the Rambla will be demolished is also false, as is the claim that the bridge from C to B will not be rebuilt. 

There were questions from the audience about the lack of policing on the urbanisation. There is no promise of extra police, however a hope that there will be an improvement once the current crop of 12 recruits complete their training. All the questions came from concerned residents rather than any representative bodies, and many involved issues that were particularly personal to the questioner. 

Generally, the meeting went without the usual shouting that takes place, save for one individual, who was quickly put in his place by Silvana. There were, perhaps surprisingly give the publicity on the subject, people who were not aware that communities of owners exist on each poligono and once this was explained by Silvana, they asked how they could activate theirs.

Earlier in the day, the lawyer for the CRA did post that the document issued by the town hall yesterday, should be considered to be a positive. 

So, was the meeting positive? Well, there were comments from people that they have heard it all many times before and there must be an election coming up, which of course there is. Overall, I would say that it was more positive than other meetings I have been to. There are clear plans of action, however I have not lived here for 20 years and have only had one previous election, so I am not as worn down as others and my glass is still half full. I have been involved in several meetings with council officials and councillors about some of the small things we are trying to achieve and have to say, I have always found them to be helpful and accommodating to requests, but then again I don’t shout at them, accuse them of corruption and threaten to sue them. As bad as my Spanish is, I show them the respect of at least trying to communicate in the language of the country we chose to live in. I have another such meeting tomorrow and keep my fingers crossed for a positive outcome.

Apologies for the length of the reply. It is only my opinion and should not be considered that of anyone I know, may have worked with or may work with in the future.😇😇

Any questions, please ask?

That is a really helpful and positive post, are you a Committee Member of The CRA because if you are I will happily renew my membership tomorrow at last someone is giving us the information we want as non residents. 👍

Phil 

Roland

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:57pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:57pm

LeginSenoj wrote on Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:09pm:

Hi Roland, here is a summary I posted last night. Hope it helps

I posted the below summary of today’s meeting, on another thread, in response to a question. It is my summary and I am sure everyone will have their own opinion of how the meeting went, so I will let you have mine. 

The meeting was a series of presentations, firstly by the mayor, Gaspar Miras, then from Gines Campillo and finally from the lawyer who is looking after the legal issues.  The focus was on what is planned for the future, rather than mulling over what has gone wrong in previous administrations. 

There was a list of things that have been completed over the past three years, with an acceptance that the big issues of the Rambla, lights and roads, are still work in progress. The point was made that it is better to do things properly rather than quickly. There are plans and legal documents in place for improvements to the lighting on public roads, the rerouting of the Rambla, the resurfacing of Covachos and the replacement of the bridge from C to B with a new one in the original location.  They were keen to point out that much of the planning and preparation work that had not been carried out by previous administrations, was now in place, so whoever wins the next election can continue with the work. 

They are hoping that many of the approvals needed will come at the next plenary session of the council in March. They undertook to keep residents informed by posting information on the town hall website.  

There is also a legal requirement to change the status of Camposol so that the town hall can take over the role of the  developer to continue the work on Camposol. What is not clear is how any expenditure over and above the €2.9 million will be met. In fact no one knows what has to be spent and on what until the legal status is confirmed. They did say that there was no obstacle to the €2.9 million being spent while the legal process is underway. The lighting on Camposol is part of a wider project dealing with issues in other parts of the municipality and is expected to be completed by the end of 2023. The council will be writing to all home owners on Camposol outlining the change of legal status of Camposol and seeking observations and approval of the plan.

The mayor said that people should not believe the lies put forward by some people about Camposol. Specifically and amongst others, the claim that the Rambla will not be rerouted is false. The claim that the houses on the Rambla will be demolished is also false, as is the claim that the bridge from C to B will not be rebuilt. 

There were questions from the audience about the lack of policing on the urbanisation. There is no promise of extra police, however a hope that there will be an improvement once the current crop of 12 recruits complete their training. All the questions came from concerned residents rather than any representative bodies, and many involved issues that were particularly personal to the questioner. 

Generally, the meeting went without the usual shouting that takes place, save for one individual, who was quickly put in his place by Silvana. There were, perhaps surprisingly give the publicity on the subject, people who were not aware that communities of owners exist on each poligono and once this was explained by Silvana, they asked how they could activate theirs.

Earlier in the day, the lawyer for the CRA did post that the document issued by the town hall yesterday, should be considered to be a positive. 

So, was the meeting positive? Well, there were comments from people that they have heard it all many times before and there must be an election coming up, which of course there is. Overall, I would say that it was more positive than other meetings I have been to. There are clear plans of action, however I have not lived here for 20 years and have only had one previous election, so I am not as worn down as others and my glass is still half full. I have been involved in several meetings with council officials and councillors about some of the small things we are trying to achieve and have to say, I have always found them to be helpful and accommodating to requests, but then again I don’t shout at them, accuse them of corruption and threaten to sue them. As bad as my Spanish is, I show them the respect of at least trying to communicate in the language of the country we chose to live in. I have another such meeting tomorrow and keep my fingers crossed for a positive outcome.

Apologies for the length of the reply. It is only my opinion and should not be considered that of anyone I know, may have worked with or may work with in the future.😇😇

Any questions, please ask?

@LeginSenoj

Thank you very much for taking the time & trouble to reply.

Very much appreciated.

LeginSenoj

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:10pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:10pm

hilaryskitchen wrote on Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:37pm:

That is a really helpful and positive post, are you a Committee Member of The CRA because if you are I will happily renew my membership tomorrow at last someone is giving us the information we want as non residents. 👍

Phil 

Thanks Phil. I used to be a member of the CRA committee but resigned just over a year ago 😇

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Roland

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:11pm

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:11pm

The report on the meeting from Murcia Today.

All sounds very positive.

https://murciatoday.com/camposol-residents-attend-open-meeting-with-mazarron-council_2007286-a.html?#bottom_navigate

LeginSenoj

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:14pm

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:14pm

You may find this interesting it is a post on Facebook by the lawyer Gerardo Vasquez about the issue if COO’s on Camposol.

NOTICE RE COMMUNITY OF OWNERS IN CAMPOSOL. People seem to misunderstand this question. My purpose is not to take a stance - just to explain. This does not replace individual advice, but if your escritura or land registry search mentions the words "cuota" or "propiedad horizontal", or "comunidad" check with a Spanish Lawyer (like me 😉). Even if you cannot spot these words check anyway. I can even come down for a public clinic with the CRA on the matter perhaps if people consider this useful so that I can advise individually.

The situation as I understand it is:

When you bought on Camposol, you would have likely bought into a community of owners, even if you did not know, or even if this is not set up and running. So that from day 1 you may have been obliged to pay for those common areas within each community area. 

The above is different to a "collaboration entity/conservation entity" which is what the Town Hall has been talking about recently. Essentially, such an "entity" will first collaborate with the Town Hall to get the Camposol infrastructure finished. Whether "collaborate" means pay and how much, that will need to be seen but what is clear is that you cannot relly on the original developer and that the bank guarantee funds are envisaged as being not sufficient.

In summary: community of owners is for your particular community housing area; whereas the collaboration entity is for much larger areas for finishing (and later maintaining) general infrastructure benefitting varios communities.

More detail on the "entity" will be provided when the planning action programs are published shortly.

Golden rule: join the CRA so that you are kept up to date and have greater standing and say  in the matter with the Town Hall. 

Second golden rule: Let us all work together without unecessary divisions to get things done. 😊

LeginSenoj

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:16pm

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:16pm

And a second post from Gerardo Vasquez about the issue of an entity on Camposol.

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:32am

LeginSenoj wrote on Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:09pm:

Hi Roland, here is a summary I posted last night. Hope it helps

I posted the below summary of today’s meeting, on another thread, in response to a question. It is my summary and I am sure everyone will have their own opinion of how the meeting went, so I will let you have mine. 

The meeting was a series of presentations, firstly by the mayor, Gaspar Miras, then from Gines Campillo and finally from the lawyer who is looking after the legal issues.  The focus was on what is planned for the future, rather than mulling over what has gone wrong in previous administrations. 

There was a list of things that have been completed over the past three years, with an acceptance that the big issues of the Rambla, lights and roads, are still work in progress. The point was made that it is better to do things properly rather than quickly. There are plans and legal documents in place for improvements to the lighting on public roads, the rerouting of the Rambla, the resurfacing of Covachos and the replacement of the bridge from C to B with a new one in the original location.  They were keen to point out that much of the planning and preparation work that had not been carried out by previous administrations, was now in place, so whoever wins the next election can continue with the work. 

They are hoping that many of the approvals needed will come at the next plenary session of the council in March. They undertook to keep residents informed by posting information on the town hall website.  

There is also a legal requirement to change the status of Camposol so that the town hall can take over the role of the  developer to continue the work on Camposol. What is not clear is how any expenditure over and above the €2.9 million will be met. In fact no one knows what has to be spent and on what until the legal status is confirmed. They did say that there was no obstacle to the €2.9 million being spent while the legal process is underway. The lighting on Camposol is part of a wider project dealing with issues in other parts of the municipality and is expected to be completed by the end of 2023. The council will be writing to all home owners on Camposol outlining the change of legal status of Camposol and seeking observations and approval of the plan.

The mayor said that people should not believe the lies put forward by some people about Camposol. Specifically and amongst others, the claim that the Rambla will not be rerouted is false. The claim that the houses on the Rambla will be demolished is also false, as is the claim that the bridge from C to B will not be rebuilt. 

There were questions from the audience about the lack of policing on the urbanisation. There is no promise of extra police, however a hope that there will be an improvement once the current crop of 12 recruits complete their training. All the questions came from concerned residents rather than any representative bodies, and many involved issues that were particularly personal to the questioner. 

Generally, the meeting went without the usual shouting that takes place, save for one individual, who was quickly put in his place by Silvana. There were, perhaps surprisingly give the publicity on the subject, people who were not aware that communities of owners exist on each poligono and once this was explained by Silvana, they asked how they could activate theirs.

Earlier in the day, the lawyer for the CRA did post that the document issued by the town hall yesterday, should be considered to be a positive. 

So, was the meeting positive? Well, there were comments from people that they have heard it all many times before and there must be an election coming up, which of course there is. Overall, I would say that it was more positive than other meetings I have been to. There are clear plans of action, however I have not lived here for 20 years and have only had one previous election, so I am not as worn down as others and my glass is still half full. I have been involved in several meetings with council officials and councillors about some of the small things we are trying to achieve and have to say, I have always found them to be helpful and accommodating to requests, but then again I don’t shout at them, accuse them of corruption and threaten to sue them. As bad as my Spanish is, I show them the respect of at least trying to communicate in the language of the country we chose to live in. I have another such meeting tomorrow and keep my fingers crossed for a positive outcome.

Apologies for the length of the reply. It is only my opinion and should not be considered that of anyone I know, may have worked with or may work with in the future.😇😇

Any questions, please ask?

Thank you very much for your post Roland it was very informative I am not a full time in Camposol so I am subject too a lot of stories on the Camposol grapevine which as we are all aware are works of fiction 👍👍

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:41am

Hopefully something will happen, but I find it amusing, that the town hall, needs to change, camposol's status before it can take over, It's been going on years!!!! I'm sure from a previous meeting, if we set up our community of owners, we'll have to finish the private roads etc in the respective area, our community fees are for maintenance etc not completing the build!!! Don't forget the council have had the assets for years and done nothing with it, include inflation and we'll probably get 20% of what we could of achieved if the council would of acted responsible straight away. 

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