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Irish Passport versus British Passport

Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 2:28pm
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Right hear we go... I keep reading a lot about people from the UK applying for a Irish passport... these people are lead to believe that they can spend as much time as they like in Spain and also wander all over the so called EU as and when required. (This is not true)..from what I have read of various government website's they have no more right to stay in the European Union any longer than a British passport holder or anyone else that comes from what the EU refer to as a third country .. currently a none resident UK passport holder can spend a maximum of 180 days out of any 365 days period in the EU.. with the 90/180 day period being taken into consideration...The holder of a Irish passport is permitted to stay in Spain for a total of 183 days continues....I have no problems understanding this ...but if a British passport holder wants to be a Tax resident in Spain they will need proof of income of approximately €25,000 for a single person or €30,000 for a married couple per year..and have a health insurance policy ...So let's say a Irish passport holder wants to become a Spanish Tax resident how much would the Irish passport holder need as proof of income...

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Right hear we go... I keep reading a lot about people from the UK applying for a Irish passport... these people are lead to believe that they can spend as much time as they like in Spain and also wander all over the so called EU as and when required. (This is not true)..from what I have read of v...

...arious government website's they have no more right to stay in the European Union any longer than a British passport holder or anyone else that comes from what the EU refer to as a third country .. currently a none resident UK passport holder can spend a maximum of 180 days out of any 365 days period in the EU.. with the 90/180 day period being taken into consideration...The holder of a Irish passport is permitted to stay in Spain for a total of 183 days continues....I have no problems understanding this ...but if a British passport holder wants to be a Tax resident in Spain they will need proof of income of approximately €25,000 for a single person or €30,000 for a married couple per year..and have a health insurance policy ...So let's say a Irish passport holder wants to become a Spanish Tax resident how much would the Irish passport holder need as proof of income...

The person holding the Irish passport is an EU citizen and has all the rights and obligations that British citizens had before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot. EU citizens have the right to move freely within all the EU/Schengen countries/states and have the right to stay and work in whichever of these countries/states that they choose to. If they choose to relocate permanently, then they should follow the ruling for the country/state that they want to move to. For example, before Brexit, UK citizens could move freely and work in Spain but they were obliged to follow the rules for applying for residencia after 90 days, which most people did. Those who never followed the rules are those who are no longer able to stay in Spain for more than 90 days in every 180. The same rules still apply to Irish, French, German and other EU country/state citizens. You have the right as an EU citizen to move to Spain but need to do this under the current rules regarding freedom of movement. Irish passport holders would need to prove that they either have a job to go to or have a pension to live off or have enough money in the bank to be able to support themselves. They don't need to show that they have a huge amount of money in the bank nor apply for a visa nor a TIE, which is for third-country citizens only.

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 4:49pm

Mags44 wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 2:50pm:

The person holding the Irish passport is an EU citizen and has all the rights and obligations that British citizens had before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot. EU citizens have the right to move freely within all the EU/Schengen countries/states and have the right to stay and work in...

... whichever of these countries/states that they choose to. If they choose to relocate permanently, then they should follow the ruling for the country/state that they want to move to. For example, before Brexit, UK citizens could move freely and work in Spain but they were obliged to follow the rules for applying for residencia after 90 days, which most people did. Those who never followed the rules are those who are no longer able to stay in Spain for more than 90 days in every 180. The same rules still apply to Irish, French, German and other EU country/state citizens. You have the right as an EU citizen to move to Spain but need to do this under the current rules regarding freedom of movement. Irish passport holders would need to prove that they either have a job to go to or have a pension to live off or have enough money in the bank to be able to support themselves. They don't need to show that they have a huge amount of money in the bank nor apply for a visa nor a TIE, which is for third-country citizens only.

Your reply does not answer my questions ..and that question was the Spanish government require a British passport holder to have a proven income of approximately €25,000 for a single person or €30,000 for a married couple and a private health insurance to be a Tax resident according to the Spanish government web site this is the minimum amount you will need to live on ...my simple question was how much does a Irish passport holder require in the shape of a income / pension to support themselves while living in Spain...to apply to become a Tax resident.

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 4:54pm

frequent flyer wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 4:49pm:

Your reply does not answer my questions ..and that question was the Spanish government require a British passport holder to have a proven income of approximately €25,000 for a single person or €30,000 for a married couple and a private health insurance to be a Tax resident according to the Sp...

...anish government web site this is the minimum amount you will need to live on ...my simple question was how much does a Irish passport holder require in the shape of a income / pension to support themselves while living in Spain...to apply to become a Tax resident.

Ok, so I’m a U.K. citizen married to an Irish citizen we are waiting to apply for residency as my wife will start to receive her U.K. state pension which negates the need for private health insurance( and I can piggy back off that saving a lot of money in the process) our immigration advisor has suggested a figure of €7000 needs to be in the bank 

Hope it’s answers your question 

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:06pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:06pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 4:54pm:

Ok, so I’m a U.K. citizen married to an Irish citizen we are waiting to apply for residency as my wife will start to receive her U.K. state pension which negates the need for private health insurance( and I can piggy back off that saving a lot of money in the process) our immigration advisor ha...

...s suggested a figure of €7000 needs to be in the bank 

Hope it’s answers your question 

Are you sure you can have free health care paid for... by what government / country... apparently the UK government cut off point for this was January 21...any one from the UK applying after this date for a Tax residency in Spain would need to pay for private health care.

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:12pm

frequent flyer wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:06pm:

Are you sure you can have free health care paid for... by what government / country... apparently the UK government cut off point for this was January 21...any one from the UK applying after this date for a Tax residency in Spain would need to pay for private health care.

Well according to My research which has been confirmed by my immigration advisor as the fact that as my wife is in receipt of a UK state pension she will be eligible for a form S1 and as her spouse I am eligible for free healthcare as well  

If you look online regarding applying for an S 1 you can see there is a section on there which covers dependants 

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:23pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:23pm

frequent flyer wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 4:49pm:

Your reply does not answer my questions ..and that question was the Spanish government require a British passport holder to have a proven income of approximately €25,000 for a single person or €30,000 for a married couple and a private health insurance to be a Tax resident according to the Sp...

...anish government web site this is the minimum amount you will need to live on ...my simple question was how much does a Irish passport holder require in the shape of a income / pension to support themselves while living in Spain...to apply to become a Tax resident.

I don't think that there is a set amount that Irish citizens would need to show, the same as there wasn't a set amount when the UK was a member of the EU. It would depend on each person's individual situation. Someone moving in order to work, would be completely different to a pensioner, for example. Someone coming into Spain to work, would be paying into the Spanish social security system and would be under the Spanish health system and would also qualify for a Spanish pension if they stay long enough. A pensioner on the other hand might come in under a reciprocal agreement with the government of their own country and Spain and have their health-care paid for via an S1, which would mean that their own government pay for their health-care in Spain. They are the ones who would more likely have to prove that they could support themselves and the sum of 7,000€, mentioned above, sounds like the sort of amount that used to be accepted for British citizens moving to Spain before Brexit. Those who are working and can show that they can support themselves with their job, would not need to prove that they have money in the bank.

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:32pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:12pm:

Well according to My research which has been confirmed by my immigration advisor as the fact that as my wife is in receipt of a UK state pension she will be eligible for a form S1 and as her spouse I am eligible for free healthcare as well  

If you look online regarding applying for an S 1 you can see there is a section on there which covers dependants ...

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As I said before the cut of point was January 21 ...after that date you need to pay for private health care..if you moved to Spain.

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:38pm

frequent flyer wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:32pm:

As I said before the cut of point was January 21 ...after that date you need to pay for private health care..if you moved to Spain.

Sorry but that’s not what I’m

Being told 

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Posted: Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:45pm

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Alan mac wrote on Tue Mar 1, 2022 5:38pm:

Sorry but that’s not what I’m

Being told 

It's written in the UK withdrawal agreement..so good luck with trying to get the UK government to pay for your health care whilst living full time  in Spain..all I can say is that I am 66 years old and have been informed that I need private health care to live full time in Spain.

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