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Anne2019

Posted: Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:53pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:53pm

eraser wrote on Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:10pm:

Moving to Spain: “Stolen from an other forum”

There are even bigger issues than that about Brits moving to Spain now...

The opportunity for UK citizens not already living in Spain to apply for Spanish Residencia via the EU citizens route finally ended on 31.12.20.

From 1.1.21 onwards if it is your intention to come to live in Spain (rather than simply visit the Schengen zone for the "up to 90 days in any running 180 day period" time limit that applies to all non-EU citizens) you must now BEFORE YOU COME first apply from within the UK to the Spanish Consulate in London (or Edinburgh), for the required pre-entry visa.

That's either a "Non-Lucrative Visa" under which you can temporarily reside in Spain for up to 12 months whilst you make your Residencia application, but which forbids any working for income (non refundable application fee currently £516 per person); or if you have a formal Spanish job offer in writing then a "Work Visa" (non refundable application fee £410).

One of the conditions of being granted a Non-Lucrative Visa is that you can show the Consulate proof of the minimum regular monthly income per applicant required by the Spanish Consulate (which they require you to have in order that you can support yourselves whilst in Spain and so not become a burden on Spanish taxpayers) .

There are several other requirements, including a criminal records check report, and proof of full-cover private Spanish medical insurance for the period of the visa, etc. Any supporting documents not in Spanish will need to be Apostiled and translated into Spanish by an official Translator

I would very VERY strongly advise you to make your pre-entry Visa application through a specialist lawyer, as if any part of your application does not meet the requirements your entire application will be rejected and your application fee lost.

You must have obtained that approved pre-entry visa BEFORE you then come to Spain, as it is that visa which gives you permission to reside temporarily in Spain whilst you then obtain and submit all your formal Residencia process documents etc.

Be aware that then once in Spain, as part of your Non-EU citizen Spanish Residencia application, as well as showing the approved Pre-entry Visa which allowed you to enter the country to live temporarily, you will need to show Spanish bank statements etc proof that you have brought into Spain a minimum of at least 4 x "IPREM" to support yourself, or documented proof you are earning more than that in Spain.

If you are bringing any other family members with you, then you must add at least 1 x IPREM for each of them.

This "IPREM" amount increased on 1.1.21. by 5% for year 2021 and is now 6772 euros.

So you will need to bring into Spain a MINIMUM approx 27,500 euros with you, plus 6,772 euros for each of any other family members, to qualify as financially self-supporting to obtain Spanish Residencia.

As part of your Residencia application you must also show proof that you've taken out at least an annual full, all-conditions-covered Spanish private health insurance policy (including cover for any pre existing conditions), for each person you are bringing in. Such a Spanish medical insurance policy is not cheap... perhaps at least 2,000 euros per person, and potentially much, much more in case of significant medical existing conditions.

There is also plenty of other bureaucracy on top of these big initial issues, including the requirement to take a Spanish driving test (in Spanish) as your (non-EU) UK driving licence ceases to be valid for use in Spain after you've lived there for 6 months.

More info here...

http://extranjeros.inclusion.gob.es/.../hoja010/index.html

And here....

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/.../Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx

an other hurdle:

https://murciatoday.com/brexit-collides-with-1975-military-law-in-spain-british-housebuyers-must-now-obtain-military-permit_1552969-a.html


I'm saving your very comprehensive and informative reply so that if any of our UK friends ask about moving now we can pass it on.  Thanks.

Anthomo

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:45am

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:45am

with all that is going on and blaming Brexit the Spanish are making it very difficult for the UK to come and live in Spain, totally ignoring the fact that they will be spending all their pensions in Spain (helping keep the economy stable) (helping keep people in work) yet it is all our own fault! then there is Portugal, waiting with open arms to welcome UK citizens as they are aware of the Brits spending, and are trying to get parity so that we can go for6 months at a time as the rest of the EU can come to the UK for that amount of time.6 months helps people make up their minds as to whether that particular place is right for them before moving to another town or village. I have been reading forums in both Spain and Portugal, with the amount of "Brit bashing" in Spain I am surpised anyone wants to go and live there.

Tony1948

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:56pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 1:56pm

Stevie100 wrote on Sat Apr 3, 2021 7:06pm:

There is not a 2 year waiting list for Irish citizenship and it doesn't cost 2000 euros. The cost for citizenship by descent is 278 euros and the waiting list is 12 to 18 months.  The cost of a passport would be on top and that is 75 euros

Yup

That's in line with what it cost  for my wife.

Wasn't an issue for me. I was born in Ireland, so I have an Irish passport. I also have a British one. :)

eduardo3332

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:25pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:25pm

Anthomo wrote on Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:45am:

with all that is going on and blaming Brexit the Spanish are making it very difficult for the UK to come and live in Spain, totally ignoring the fact that they will be spending all their pensions in Spain (helping keep the economy stable) (helping keep people in work) yet it is all our own fault!...

... then there is Portugal, waiting with open arms to welcome UK citizens as they are aware of the Brits spending, and are trying to get parity so that we can go for6 months at a time as the rest of the EU can come to the UK for that amount of time.6 months helps people make up their minds as to whether that particular place is right for them before moving to another town or village. I have been reading forums in both Spain and Portugal, with the amount of "Brit bashing" in Spain I am surpised anyone wants to go and live there.

Spain is not making it difficult for people from the UK it is the same for any person not coming from a Schengen country.

As you have mentioned the Uk has exited this group so why should British be treated any different?

Tony1948

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:42pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:42pm

Anthomo wrote on Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:45am:

with all that is going on and blaming Brexit the Spanish are making it very difficult for the UK to come and live in Spain, totally ignoring the fact that they will be spending all their pensions in Spain (helping keep the economy stable) (helping keep people in work) yet it is all our own fault!...

... then there is Portugal, waiting with open arms to welcome UK citizens as they are aware of the Brits spending, and are trying to get parity so that we can go for6 months at a time as the rest of the EU can come to the UK for that amount of time.6 months helps people make up their minds as to whether that particular place is right for them before moving to another town or village. I have been reading forums in both Spain and Portugal, with the amount of "Brit bashing" in Spain I am surpised anyone wants to go and live there.

Spain is NOT making it difficult for UK citizens to come to live in Spain.

The UK left the EU. It's citizens now have the same status as the citizens of every other country that's not in the EU.

The British are not entitled to special treatment.

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Mags44

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:55pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:55pm

Anthomo wrote on Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:45am:

with all that is going on and blaming Brexit the Spanish are making it very difficult for the UK to come and live in Spain, totally ignoring the fact that they will be spending all their pensions in Spain (helping keep the economy stable) (helping keep people in work) yet it is all our own fault!...

... then there is Portugal, waiting with open arms to welcome UK citizens as they are aware of the Brits spending, and are trying to get parity so that we can go for6 months at a time as the rest of the EU can come to the UK for that amount of time.6 months helps people make up their minds as to whether that particular place is right for them before moving to another town or village. I have been reading forums in both Spain and Portugal, with the amount of "Brit bashing" in Spain I am surpised anyone wants to go and live there.

It's not a case of "blaming Brexit"! Brexit IS the only reason that UK citizens are now third country citizens and have to live with the rules for these. Whether or not they are "spending all their pensions", they are no different to any of the other tourists from a third country to want to spend time in Spain. They are no different and not in any way, special. No, I am not Brit bashing - I'm trying to make those who are still in denial, understand that they are the ones who wanted to stop freedom of movement and this is the result. Time to wake up and smell the paella!

DH123

Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:03pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:03pm

Tony1948 wrote on Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:42pm:

Spain is NOT making it difficult for UK citizens to come to live in Spain.

The UK left the EU. It's citizens now have the same status as the citizens of every other country that's not in the EU.

The British are not entitled to special treatment.

Exactly. The EU rules affecting movement of people within member states were set in law some 15-20 years ago. They haven't changed. Pre-Brexit, most UK citizens didn't know about this as they could come and go as they pleased. Only a very small minority with partners from outside the EU would have been aware.

Post Brexit, these very same rules apply, only now UK citizens are non-EU citizens, so are treated like Americans, Australians, etc.

I wouldn't count on any EU country reciprocating Britain's 6-month stay rule. It would require fundamental changes throughout the EU. 

banskoboy

Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 6:58pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 6:58pm

DH123 wrote on Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:03pm:

Exactly. The EU rules affecting movement of people within member states were set in law some 15-20 years ago. They haven't changed. Pre-Brexit, most UK citizens didn't know about this as they could come and go as they pleased. Only a very small minority with partners from outside the EU would hav...

...e been aware.

Post Brexit, these very same rules apply, only now UK citizens are non-EU citizens, so are treated like Americans, Australians, etc.

I wouldn't count on any EU country reciprocating Britain's 6-month stay rule. It would require fundamental changes throughout the EU. 

There appears to be lots of negativity surrounding moving to Spain post Brexit and the strict financial etc rules for residency.

Just a thought; what's to stop people applying for residency anywhere in the Schengen zone in order to escape the 90/180 misery? Bulgaria as an example. Dual nationality would avoid the 90/180 rule and would also skip changing driving licence etc.

Just a thought for discussion

Cheers

DH123

Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:18pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:18pm

Dual citizenship is the way to go, but it usually involves living legally in the chosen country for at least 5 years. During those 5 years, you'll need a visa or resident's permit.

Of course, if you're very rich, then you can "buy" citizenship from a small EU country, but the EU is cracking down on this practice.

PhilTox

Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:22pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:22pm

banskoboy wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 6:58pm:

There appears to be lots of negativity surrounding moving to Spain post Brexit and the strict financial etc rules for residency.

Just a thought; what's to stop people applying for residency anywhere in the Schengen zone in order to escape the 90/180 misery? Bulgaria as an example. Dual nationality would avoid the 90/180 rule and would also skip changing driving licence etc....

...

Just a thought for discussion

Cheers

Gaining residency is NOT the same as nationality. We have Spanish residency but, sadly, we are still british nationals.

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