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CENTAL HEATING

Posted: Fri Oct 9, 2020 9:33pm
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ray8798

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hi all now my sale is going ahead i was wondering if anybody can tell me what is the best fuel source for central heating in spain i did have a foray into heat exchangers but for a house of a fortuna size would need about 12 plus panels so at a the price they are not viable i have seen some use wood burning pellets and others oil (is this kerosene/ red diesel bio oil ) i believe a system would be a few euro but does that include the tank for the oil or is the pellet option a good one also because its spain do you need to inform the local council need certs etc i presume you do and is there a decent heating 👍👍fitter that can anyone recommend that complies with the regs  cheers 

RAY

ray8798

Posted: Fri Oct 9, 2020 9:36pm

ray8798

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Posted: Fri Oct 9, 2020 9:36pm

ray8798 wrote on Fri Oct 9, 2020 9:33pm:

hi all now my sale is going ahead i was wondering if anybody can tell me what is the best fuel source for central heating in spain i did have a foray into heat exchangers but for a house of a fortuna size would need about 12 plus panels so at a the price they are not viable i have seen some ...

...use wood burning pellets and others oil (is this kerosene/ red diesel bio oil ) i believe a system would be a few euro but does that include the tank for the oil or is the pellet option a good one also because its spain do you need to inform the local council need certs etc i presume you do and is there a decent heating 👍👍fitter that can anyone recommend that complies with the regs  cheers 

RAY

   OOPS CENTRAL HEATING 

Trisha28

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:54am

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:54am

When we bought our Casa in Mula there were many types of heating already in the House.

We soon found out that the gas central heating was too expensive to run so we only use that to run the showers. We now have solar panels and run air cons in lounge and bedrooms for heating and cooling.

We also have a wood fire in the lounge which looks so cosy on those chilly winter nights.

Will60

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:22pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:22pm

Last year I installed gas heating/hot water (a propane combi-boiler, 7 radiators etc.). I did the work myself, apart from having qualified tradesman supply & fit the boiler, and finish off/test/certificate the gas work.

Total cost around 4300 Euros (including a masonry enclosure for the 12 gas bottles).

I think it would have cost 5500-6500 Euros to have all it done professionally.

The boiler was put into service on 1st October '19. Total fuel cost (propane gas) for the year was around 420 Euros. 

During lock-down this year, I added 4 more radiators.

ray8798

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:53pm

ray8798

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:53pm

Will60 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:22pm:

Last year I installed gas heating/hot water (a propane combi-boiler, 7 radiators etc.). I did the work myself, apart from having qualified tradesman supply & fit the boiler, and finish off/test/certificate the gas work.

Total cost around 4300 Euros (including a masonry enclosure for the 12 gas bottles)....

...

I think it would have cost 5500-6500 Euros to have all it done professionally.

The boiler was put into service on 1st October '19. Total fuel cost (propane gas) for the year was around 420 Euros. 

During lock-down this year, I added 4 more radiators.

hi yes thanks for the reply i was and can fit the radiators myself source them over here as the property im buying as an underbuild already done with a suspened ceiling and i wanted to fit copper pipe work just to avoid sagging (due to the hotter climate i can source a boiler here cheaply as well (i have a friend)but i have read gas is a dear option in spain so was thinking oil but not sure whats available and if i buy an oil burning boiler in uk its over £3000 just for that then the bonded tank etc etc 


regards ray



Will60

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:33pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:33pm

ray8798 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:53pm:

hi yes thanks for the reply i was and can fit the radiators myself source them over here as the property im buying as an underbuild already done with a suspened ceiling and i wanted to fit copper pipe work just to avoid sagging (due to the hotter climate i can source a boiler here cheaply as well...

... (i have a friend)but i have read gas is a dear option in spain so was thinking oil but not sure whats available and if i buy an oil burning boiler in uk its over £3000 just for that then the bonded tank etc etc 


regards ray



We have 12 x 11kg gas bottles. These are delivered at 12 Euro each. So our cost of propane (1/10/19 to 1/10/20) was around 420 Euros. This includes the gas hob

I used copper pipework (the plastic/barrier pipe sags). 

I'm not a brilliant handyman, but I did OK, no leaks. I used 15mm and 22mm pipe from Leroy Merlin (cheapest I could find) but I used "British" solder-ring fittings (not sure my skills were up to end-feed fittings, and I haven't seen solder-ring fittings for sale in Spain).

ray8798

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:44pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:44pm

Will60 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:33pm:

We have 12 x 11kg gas bottles. These are delivered at 12 Euro each. So our cost of propane (1/10/19 to 1/10/20) was around 420 Euros. This includes the gas hob

I used copper pipework (the plastic/barrier pipe sags). 

I'm not a brilliant handyman, but I did OK, no leaks. I used 15mm and 22mm pipe from Leroy Merlin (cheapest I could find) but I used "British" solder-ring fittings (not sure my skills were up to end-feed fittings, and I haven't seen solder-ring fittings for sale in Spain).

hi will60 

yeh cant really go wrong with yorshire fittings although there is a new plastic type now where you use a cramping tool looks good kit but stick with what you know ,so basically do you just have a regulator connected to a pipe fitted to the boiler and just swap it over similar to the calor gas ones also can you order stuff to be delivered i think theres a spanish screwfix and leroy merlins is that the same as say a B&Q over here 

cheers 

ray

Barbara50

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:27pm

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:27pm

Trisha28 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:54am:

When we bought our Casa in Mula there were many types of heating already in the House.

We soon found out that the gas central heating was too expensive to run so we only use that to run the showers. We now have solar panels and run air cons in lounge and bedrooms for heating and cooling.

We also have a wood fire in the lounge which looks so cosy on those chilly winter nights.

Hi.  We have recently bought in Mula and wondered if you had to have your chimney swept and if so, can you recommend someone to do this?  We need a new wood burner installed too.

Thanks. 

Will60

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:21am

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:21am

ray8798 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:44pm:

hi will60 

yeh cant really go wrong with yorshire fittings although there is a new plastic type now where you use a cramping tool looks good kit but stick with what you know ,so basically do you just have a regulator connected to a pipe fitted to the boiler and just swap it over similar to the calor gas one...

...s also can you order stuff to be delivered i think theres a spanish screwfix and leroy merlins is that the same as say a B&Q over here 

cheers 

ray

We have 12 bottles (in 2 banks of 6) connected to a manifold with a cut-over valve (i.e. only one of the banks is connected at any time). 

The bottles do not have individual regulators, just connector valves. But there is a regulator after the cut-over valve that reduces the pressure to around 1.7 bar. The whole setup is contained within an enclosure to keep the sun off. There is also an isolating valve, at the exit of the enclosure.

A pipe carries the gas at 1.7 bar to the boiler, where there is a pressure gauge, and another regulator which reduces the pressure to 37 mbar.

This is a standard configuration here. The installation needs to be tested and certificated by CEPSA every 5 years. 

The flexible pipes connecting the bottles into the manifold are date-stamped, and have a 5 year life. 

At one extreme ...  from April-October, 6 bottles last 6 months (for hot water and the hob).

At the other extreme ... we had a cold snap in January this year, when 6 bottles lasted 16 days.

I have seen simple installations ... single bottle - regulator - flexible pipe - boiler, but a bottle would only last 2 or 3 days in winter.

Most of my supplies came from Screwfix.eu, but I don't think they are currently delivering due to Covid. I couldn't get Yorks fittings during lock-down, so I had to resort to ebay.

Trisha28

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:47am

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:47am

Barbara50 wrote on Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:27pm:

Hi.  We have recently bought in Mula and wondered if you had to have your chimney swept and if so, can you recommend someone to do this?  We need a new wood burner installed too.

Thanks. 

We haven’t had our chimney done in the 3.5 years we have been here.... haven’t even thought of it really. Now you have mentioned it, I will ask friends who have similar and find out for you..

Welcome to Mula... it’s a beautiful town!

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