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Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2019 12:09am

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Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2019 12:09am

Been back and checked my rates.  You are correct -I was mixing up the rate for peseta's to the euro.  currently getting 1.06 in tesco.

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Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2019 10:38pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2019 10:38pm

With all the discussion re the Irish border, there is one question that I haven't seen an answer to.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, what happens the next day to the Irish border? Will there suddenly be a hard border or will life continue as before while talks continue?

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Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2019 12:10am

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Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2019 12:10am

The Spanish have said they will not negotiate without an agreement on Gibraltar the French have said they will not negotiate without access to UK fishing waters. There is no deal on the table only one that gives Europe an upper hand in forthcoming negotiations. No deal at present is the only way parliament does not accept Mays deal which gives the UK nothing except further negotiations to keep what we already had 

We joined with pre conserved ideas made by France and Spain and the others now leaving and they all want something in exchange for their agreement in the way we leave Ireland will always be the sticking point. Can see no other way out except no deal and then we deal with fishing Gibraltar Irish border without the EU having a hold in our future unless we agree to their terms 

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Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2019 3:36am

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Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2019 3:36am

you have answered your own ? we have left, so there must be  a hard border,like any other country, but the eu want a deal 

as  its a headache for them too, but only 10 % of trade crosses border .the rest is ferried to wales and scotland .

but a question that  is never raised, as this vote was in the main about immigrants, how can you stop them crossing over, 

if no deal , hard border or not, it makes a farse of the dup and their unionistic ties to gb, and the arrogance of the

word brexit sums it all up, its not BRitain EXITing the eu, its the uk, which includes n ire, which they all forgot about, but is now

biting them in the ass. 

as for 2nd vote, it wont happen, there is no time to organise it, not forgetting the fact that it was a democratic vote, 

d moss has every right to abstain, like mps who do it regurarily. 

ianc2

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:55pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:55pm

Average income in Southern Ireland 35,000, N. Ireland  22,000

All of Ireland N and S voted to remain.  One man one vote.

How long before Ireland reunifies to form a country slightly bigger than Denmark and stays in the EU?  Is this why Rees Mogg has moved investment funds to Dublin?

Scotland voted to remain.  How long before they vote again for independence and stay in the EU?

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:30pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:30pm

“We joined 2ith ore conceived ideas made by France and Spain”.

Soainwasn’t in Europe when we joined, they joined along while after so had no influence on the UK’s expectations.

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:50pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:50pm

I abstained from voting so am not as annoyed as the majority who voted to leave though can understand there problem 

You have a vote that parliament was not in favour of the majority being remainers so now they are thwarting the will of the people at every turn Mays deal was to try and appease everyone yet appeased none. The Labour Party are insisting that there can be no deal but have no other ideas to put forward except staying in the customs union and protecting workers rights, but the worst has to be Scottish nationalist party who ignore votes to suit themselves, yet can not see they lost loads of seats in the last election yet say they purport to be speaking on behalf of the people. 

I believe to deliver on the vote there can only be no deal forget the horror stories put about by the remainers whoever does a deal against the vote will rue the day at the next election perhaps we will get 2 votes or three to see who next governs our non democratic country 

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:21pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:21pm

May has created many of the issues but just look at the EU response, a swift rebuttal within hours of the Commons vote.

Now imagine what they would be like if we agreed to the Withdrawal Agreement with back stop in place...we would be in for a very long time with costs that could cripple us

I don’t necessarily blame the EU for their position, the point is we may as well Leave now with a No Deal and put everything up for negotiation once we have left, that statement by the UK and a £39Bn hole would definitely focus the minds of the EU.

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:53pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:53pm

France was one of the original countries joining the EU at the outset with Germany my problem is the arrogance at present that the French and Germans put up with regard to other member states, with regard to Spain they have been one of the main beneficiaries of the EU we have watched roads built airports opened and closed corruption is rife within politics even though it has been seen in the uk Spain seems to have perfected it at all levels of government yet still remains getting money from the EU coffers but does it all go to the destination applied for ? We have lived and been residents for 20 years and enjoy our life here but have watched mayors being put in prison one after the other for curruption and now I’n the uk, the final straw a vote outcome is ignored because the politicians do not agree with the outcome so my belief in politics and MPs from all countries is not good but the Spanish minister to say that the UK will not get a deal without Gibraltar and the French minister saying France would veto any deal in the future that did not give them access to UK waters for fishing ? So what possible deal can be agreed with these countries none

Let’s just go it alone like we did before the spanish want us to buy produce and so do the French so let’s bargain on those details that are in the UKs favour get rid of may and replace with a person who believes in adhering to the public vote, 

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:58pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:58pm

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal ..what are the EU going to do with all the goods that it normally exports in to the UK. Apparently they are going to refuse to sell us anything after march the 29th ...60% of UK imports come from EU based company's...how on earth are the EU going to explain to the company's in these countries that they cannot trade /export anything over to the UK ..can you imagine the riots that are going to take place all over the EU... when they have to make EU workers redundant...over politics.

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