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Kalli

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:36pm

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:36pm

Kalli wrote on Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:14pm:

I'm so glad this thread has been "reinvigorated"! There are so many interesting comments on it.

Re British people moving to Spain to live after Brexit: as things stand, there are a different set of rules for immigrants from non EU countries. The financial requirements are much higher, a single person moving to Spain requires 400% of IPREM (Spanish minimum wage) which currently would be an a...

...nnual income of €25,816. Each additional family member would add €6,454 to that sum. Especially at present, with the current £/€ exchange rate, many retired people from the UK would not qualify. There are other requirements too, see Jim's Guides accessed from the RHS of this page. 

Will Spain (be able to) make a special case for British people? A year or two ago, Britain considered bringing in legislation that required immigrants to the UK to have paid into the UK system for 6 months before they were entitled to any benefits. UK born people would not need to. The EU would not allow that because it is discriminatory. Therefore, it seems unlikely to me that the gods of the EU would let Spain have a different set of rules for UK immigrants after Brexit. Although, Spain being Spain, would probably say OK to the EU and do what they wanted anyway!

I'm replying to my own post. The figures quoted above are correct for immigrants from a non EU country. It's a shame I didn't take my own advice and consult Jim's Guides before writing it! Spain put out an official bulletin re no deal back on 25 March and Jim has gone through it bit by bit.

British nationals have 21 months from the date of Brexit to apply for residency authorisation or, if they already have it, change to a foreigners identity card. After that the non EU country rules will apply - unless Spain then makes a new resolution to make UK nationals a special case.

Here's the link:  

Jim's Guide - New legislation re the no-deal Brexit law  


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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:51pm

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Conor wrote on Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:46pm:

What is the point you are trying to make, if there is one? 

Today they come  from Albania.. tomorrow they will be called Europeans from EU... with the right to supppppp  the resources dry of any country within the EU .

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:31pm

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:31pm

Or another way to look at it is nationalism is more likely to lead to conflicts and how much is the economic and human cost of that 😕

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:02am

Sean95 wrote on Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:47pm:

What I actually said was that many people voted in 2016 for racist reasons, and interactions with Europeans, Poles etc, in London in the following days would bear that out. Of course the majority are not racists, least of all people I've never met,  but its an easy way to deflect the argumen...

...t from the more important details of how were going to survive the coming events. 

I have Irish connections some of my friends are at a loss to understand why the UK is going down this road where there is zero advantages and millions of problems. Maybe some day we will!.

Meantime we can only give opinions, and it's good to hear others....that's what the forum is for.

Hi Sean, of course immigration was part of the concerns of the campaign and as important to many as financial and soveriegnty issues. I would say that if we were to get over excited by the thought of controlling Immigration, then Austrakia and New Zealand are Institutionally rascist too, as they control immigration. I welcome it personally ( I was a migrant worker in Berlin and now in Abu Dhabi) but see no harm in selective migration. What I do not welcome is Brussels pulling the strings on the vast majority of our laws. 

I wait, as you do, to see the outcome of Brexit, I just want it done. I do fear some consequences, but nowhere near as much as I fear having to join The Euro, Federacy, Federal Military and Brussels controlling The Nuclear Detterrent. 

We shall see what develops mate. 

By the way, my son and I spent 5 days on The Beara Peninsular 

( Castletown Bere) fishing recently, what a gorgeous, welcoming place, we look forward to returning post brexit too. 

Cheers

Sean95

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:53am

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I hope Ireland will continue to be a welcoming place for you and all UK visitors. 

We don't want to go back to the bad old days of violence and confrontation which I'm worried will result from dividing the country in two again. 

Someone should look at the actual logistics of policing literally hundreds of crossings and splitting up towns, villages and even farms. Don't think Boris has! 

We live in hope! 

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:04pm

|Hello . The British voted to leave the EU and it is only the arguing amongst themseves that is preventing this. As Theresa May kept saying they did a deal but cant seem to pass it in Parliament. The EU isnt stopping them. The easy and obvious solution is a N Ireland only backstop. This is the solution favoured by 60% of the people in N Ireland. It would benefit Ireland very well. In my opinion there is absolutely no benefit to Britian in leaving but if that is their choice then just get on with it. I don't think that the EU cares much about them either way. Sean

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:13pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:13pm

As far as I can see the only reason for the backstop not being passed was due to an ideological objection from the DUP which in turn was only relevant because they are propping up the current government! 

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Yes you are right about the DUP holding everything up and are enjoying their temporary place in the Parliamentary sun. They are a very backward looking party and don't by any means represent the majority of people in N. Ireland. It is amazing that they would agree a no deal in the knowledge that it would destroy their own economy and probably hasten the very thing that they exist to avoid. A United Ireland,( a New Ireland would be a better title) which in the long run is inevitable anyway. We can only hope that that can happen smoothly over time and peacefully. 

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:38pm

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Great to hear some sanity on this subject. Agreed the NI only backstop is the answer. Its a win-win for NI economy, they'll have the benefits of free trade with UK and EU with no restrictions. It would not change their daily lives in any way, it would maintain the open border as it is, but DUP diehards will not listen to what's good for their constituents. 

It will not make NI any less part of the UK than it is, despite the fact that they still won't accept modern Social legislation that applies in rest of UK. Getting past this would be a small price to pay for avoiding the disaster facing the economies of both parts of Ireland.

History will record that Teresa May's 2017 election call was the single greatest cause of the situation facing us.

Let's hope common sense prevails before November.

Ginger

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:46pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:46pm

Agree with Sean, we voted to leave, Theresa May made, and signed, a deal without consulting Parliament. When it became apparent what had been signed wasn’t acceptable changes were made, after a while EU patience started to wear very thin, not surprising. In fighting, wheeling and dealing gave all taken their toll on proceedings in the UK. The Irish situation reared it’s head in Stage 1 of negotiations,a resolution wasn’t found, Britain insisted on moving to ?Stage 2 and returning to the Irish problem later. Well later arrived but by that time Theresa May was in further difficulties as she needed the DUP to stay in power. I despair of our current situation, I fear things will get worse before some one is strong enough to see sense, take the reigns and guide us away from complete disaster.

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