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Conor

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:25pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:25pm

frequent flyer wrote on Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:51pm:

Today they come  from Albania.. tomorrow they will be called Europeans from EU... with the right to supppppp  the resources dry of any country within the EU .

There is no evidence to suggest that the peoples of any EU country sup (presumably suck?) the resources of another EU country dry, so it is unlikely to occur with Albanians (incidentally Albanian is an EU candidate country, but is not the next in line to join). Not only do EU citizens in UK contribute more per head to UK than UK citizens https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-workers-uk-tax-treasury-brexit-migrants-british-citizens-a8542506.html but they also contribute more to the UK than they draw from UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/05/migration-target-useless-experts though interestingly, between 1995 and 2001, the reverse was the case with regard to non-EEA citizens, but this reverse blip will not be ironed out by Brexit. 

Worldwide evidence is that immigrants make host countries richer (economically and culturally) as immigrants want to come to work and better themselves. No doubt there are some welfare tourists among immigrants, but the host country has many ways to deal with welfare fraud or abuse. There are several allowable reasons for EU countries to expel EU citizens of other EU countries, one of which is welfare fraud and or over reliance on welfare after 3 months.  http://www.ceemr.uw.edu.pl/vol-4-no-2-december-2015/articles/expulsion-european-union-citizens-host-member-state-legal-grounds 

The UK generally chose not to expel EU citizens for welfare related reasons to date- whereas Belgium and others do - and while that may change, it can already occur before Brexit, so its not, on its own, a good reason for Brexit. In any event non-EU net immigration to UK is consistently higher than EU immigration to UK for many many years. https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ so whatever problems you perceive in UK, they are unlikely to be rectified by restricting EU immigration. 

I include links so you can verify or challenge what I cite. I don't expect you to take my word for my statements as you seem to expect others to take yours. 

Choose to leave the EU, and indeed leave the EU, by all means, but do so for actual real reasons, not for myths or personal prejudices. 

Not directly related to your racial prejudiced views, but when bombs go off in the UK (such as already occurred Jan 2019 and again yesterday - both of which are probably practice runs) and if UK citizens are killed on the streets of the UK, then you may well ask "what are the EU doing about it?". I hope it doesn't come to bombs, death and or a repeat of the past, but the chances of that are about equal to a no-deal Brexit, ie fairly high. 

fredtru

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:10am

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:10am

A very well thought out summary of this Brexit. And very informative. It is interesting to note that the British ex pats living in Europe add significantly in many ways both economically and culturally wherever they live. They are mostly retired people enjoying the great freedoms of living on this Continent.They have worked for this. And the People from all countries working in Britain are doing the same thing now . So that they can do the same.  This exchange of people free to spend time freely in Europe can only be a terrific thing. Think back to the horrible wars of the last century and be thankful about how far all Europeans have come. 

Sean95

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:46am

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:46am

Conor's links are an eye opener. EU immigration is only a fraction of total immigration. Let's hope EU countries don't follow UK's latest policy on EU migrants. It would be devastating for many who wouldn't have the required income etc. to live in EU countries. EU may be more generous but I can't see why they would. This is getting very worrying, and for what?? 

Ian

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:42am

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:42am

This is getting very worrying....for what? To save the conservative party that's what. They were forced by internal squabbles to hold a referendum and now are trying to deliver the Impossible dream and trying to see it as achievable. Sacrifice the our standing in the word, our mutually beneficial relationship with our neighbours, our businesses, our prosperity, our safety and for us here in Spain our rights and the reasons we moved here. For what.....to satisfy a group of conservatives to create tax havens for their investments. They've started the train and theres no getting off. Destination...... Who knows where but, we are all, brexiteers and remainders, are going to pay dearly for the actions of the Cameron government.

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Conor

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02pm

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02pm

The reasons for Brexit and the allegations against the EU are getting more and more bizarre. https://news.sky.com/story/ex-qpr-boss-ian-holloway-bizarrely-blames-eu-for-new-handball-rule-11790364

I wonder is teh EU why England has not won the football word cup since 1966? (just a topical joke ion case anyone takes it seriously!)

fredtru

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:21pm

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:21pm

It’s obviously an anti Brit plot. Those pesky Germans,French and Spanish keep winning it. And of course the Italians!!!!

Ian

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:38pm

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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:38pm

I hadn't seen that! He almost sounded serious. I was waiting for the next line which I expected to be that after brexit it will be good that our teams don't have to play in the European cup and we can focus on our national League and make our own rules. Also to hold the next world cup final in Bristol. Ha ha.

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