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Lisa61

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:14pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:14pm

Many thanks will take this on board 

Lisa61

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:15pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:15pm

Many thanks really appreciate your help

Lisa61

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:21pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:21pm

Lots of info thanks so much for sharing this with me it will really help us on our journey

Thank you lisa

Cidergirl

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:49pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:49pm

Have you looked a Mil Palmeras or Torre de la Horadada.  I'm on the Mar Menor golf resort 10 mins by car to LA.  It's a gorgeous resort, you don't have to play golf to appreciate it, I don't.  Property isn't cheap but that's for a reason.  Downside is you need a car (there are restaurants on site).  Community fees aren't cheap. Might be worth a look? 

Lisa61

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 7:42pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 7:42pm

We had look at mar menor very nice indeed.also been looking at torrre del horadada will have a look at mil palmares Thank you 

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Cidergirl

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:36pm

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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:36pm

Mil Palmeras is one of the best beaches in the area.  The quality of the Mar Menor is questionable.  In the last year it has lost its blue flag status.  Hence I prefer to swim In the med. 

joolz55

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:31am

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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:31am

colouredman wrote on Sat May 25, 2019 3:05pm:

Hi Lisa,

As a long time property investor here in UK and until recently the owner of a beachside apt in Paphos in Cyprus for 12 years i can give you these crucial tips:

1. The coasts in any tourist-oriented country are the regions/areas which are developed first and therefore by implication, the oldest. So some properties near the sea may be as old as late 80’s. That means old spec, old electrics, old construction and building codes, old tired concrete etc etc. As demand in an area grows then developers start building inland, so usually inland tourist properties are newer.

2. In the boom years the Spanish were throwin these properties up in the 100’s of 1000’s. They are often not the best built and tacky, and the reason is this. A developer knows that he doesnt have to try hard with properties near the sea coz the sea itself will sell the property. Property inland has to have a lot more goin for it to attract buyers. These coastal properties are built largely specifically with foreign buyers in mind, not for sale to the Spanish. Mostly that means standards are lower in build quality.

3. Bear this in mind more than anything.... If you buy near the sea yre payin an absolute premium for that! If you spend €100,000 buying on the coast, about 30% of that at least is ‘in the sea’ not in your property. If you spend the same half hour imland 100% of your money is in the property which quite simple means... a better property, with more independence, more land, more bedrooms, more modern, more m2 space etc etc.

4. I was once where you are now.... the retirement or holiday home dream of long days in the sun. Indeed i had all those things and more. But what i also experienced was so many things i could not possibly have imagined.... noise or loud music from other neighbours/owners, or noise from those they rented to. Furniture scraping across floors above us. Cigarette ash raining down onto our balcony from balconys above, etc etc. A key thing to understand about that kind of apt block/communal living, is that you have to really (now) take on board that (contrary to what you now think) your holiday home happiness (or unhappiness) is a lot less in your hands than you think. If that sounds dramatic consider this. Imagine all the people in your street or neighbourhood (the good ones and the bad) living above you, below you, at the sides of you; etc, i.e all in the same building. In imagining it how does it feel? All i can add to that is that I did it and for 12 years and Ill never do that again. The property type we now look for is as detached as possible, for all the above reasons and many more.

5. Be very very very aware of ‘Communal Fees’!!!! These are a nightmare, and cannot be ignored in overall property costs. Some are as much as €50 to €100 per month and always go up up up over time. This is mainly coz the costs of pool maintenance or the salaries of those who do it, all goes up over time. Bear in mind also that if theres ever a time you dont use the apt much or need to return to live in UK youll still be paying, and effectively paying for something yre not using. Another issue with Communal Fees is that generally a small group of people on a block committee wield the power, and a lot of it too. If they decide the block needs repainting or the pool revamping etc you and other owners will be contributing to that without necesarily wanting it or agreeing with it. A few years ago our committee pretty much unilaterally decidec the block needed re rendering and painting. As a consequence (coz the block kitty was low) i had to come up with over €1000 one pay day before Xmas. I was absolutely livid but still had to pay.

6. In any block you will have a percentage of non payers. At least until they pay up or have their property embargoed other owners end up paying more just simply coz they ate paying less or none. Our block was only a block of 8 yet consistently we had 3 non payers who up to when we sold up last Nov, owed the committee/owners about €20,0000!!!

Good luck but go into what yre doing forensically!! Oh and buy a good book on buying property in Spain. It will open your eyes to the complexities and pitfalls of it. Anthony Foster has a very good one for £12 available from Amazon.

Tim

How did you end up buying in Paphos? I have only been there once and once was enough.Lol. It is too touristy for me and very boring IMHO. I know a couple who went on holiday to Paphos and bought a property on the spur of the moment. They kept if for about 5 years, then sold up and moved to southern spain. I do agree with you about apartment blocks. I lived in several in central London over a long period of time. Drove me crazy with the noise. The spanish tend to be quite noisy too so we didn't even look at apartments when we decided to buy a property in spain. We bought a duplux. We have spanish neighbours next door who live there permanently. They're very nice and not too noisy. We couldn't afford to buy a detached property so close to the beach. We had to choose between a detached property out in the sticks or a duplux near the beach...the beach won. 

joolz55

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:38am

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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:38am

Lisa61 wrote on Fri May 24, 2019 9:41pm:

Help help help. Been looking at buying in los alcazeres but also along beach up to la Zenia.we have had so many conflicting views on areas. We are looking for a 2/3 bed property near beach an use of pool would be a bonus. We have four small grandchildren that would be holidaying too. Any areas we...

... should avoid or any areas recommended would be so very much appreciated.many thanks lisa

Have you looked around La Ribera and Lo Pagan? The beaches are lovely in this area. we're in La Ribera. Dos Maris shopping centre is just up the road. I know it's nowhere near as big a La Zenia shopping centre, but you can get everything (well almost) you want in there. There's also pinatar retail park across the road and lots of shops on the way up to san javier. Loads of nice restaurants along the beach. It's a very spanish area with no ugly urbanizations. If you're interested in a new build, there's plenty to choose from, especially at the back of lo pagan. Good luck x

Lisa61

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:53am

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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:53am

Hi I feel like I've looked nearly everywhere lol! Lo pagan an ribera ncluded. We coming out soon so will be traveling about. Thank you so much Lisa 

Cidergirl

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:54am

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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:54am

Lisa - if the budget stretches, then definitely look at Javea and Moraira. It is known as the jewel in the Costa Blanca.  It's much greener and prettier than here and of course more expensive.  In hindsight I wish I had hung on a bought there but hey ho hindsight is a wonderful thing. On a separate issue, if you intend to rent your property at all, then you need to be nearer to the beach and amenities.  We rent out ours through the summer and it covers our costs for the year.

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