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Uk govt are fiddling figures

Posted: Tue Jun 2, 2020 7:59pm
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Uk is accused of fiddling figures them and France China America all seem to be doing it to strengthen their relevant argument to open close or whatever so forget figures they can be used to create any outcome to whoever shame we have to be lied to 

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Posted: Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:47am

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Posted: Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:47am

Watching too much TV again D.

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Posted: Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:01am

I don't think your far wrong.

Strange how massively fatalities have reduced so quickly, form a constant figure of + 300 daily to 77 then 55 across all sectors.

Right when a majority of Europe are due to be allowed to return to Spain and the British are not.

As we all know it doesn't take much for the British public to put the government under pressure, and once the Brits see the rest enjoying holidays abroad they will want to as well, and the government know that.

But that is not going to happen until Britain can reduce daily fatatalaties and also drop the infection rate on a consistant basis.

Don't know about anyone else but I have to say it seems very strange to me that the drop in figures on such a massive scale are very suspect.

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Posted: Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:41am

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Posted: Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:41am

Garyp47 wrote on Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:01am:

I don't think your far wrong.

Strange how massively fatalities have reduced so quickly, form a constant figure of + 300 daily to 77 then 55 across all sectors.

Right when a majority of Europe are due to be allowed to return to Spain and the British are not.

As we all know it doesn't take much for the British public to put the government under pressure, and once the Brits see the rest enjoying holidays abroad they will want to as well, and the government know that.

But that is not going to happen until Britain can reduce daily fatatalaties and also drop the infection rate on a consistant basis.

Don't know about anyone else but I have to say it seems very strange to me that the drop in figures on such a massive scale are very suspect.

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The figures are from the weekend - reported deaths in Scotland and NI was zero. Weekend figures fall dramatically - if you're interested see what the figures are reported from Tues to Friday. At the end of the day, do the public globally know the true figures in the US, Russia, China, South Korea, UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Brazil, Iran, UAE I can go on and list all countries. I very much doubt it - the more densely populated an area - higher death tolls - unlike the rural areas of different countries.

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Posted: Tue Jun 9, 2020 11:19am

I agree with you jazz that weekend figures vary enormously compared to weekdays.

But the original posters comment was that they believed that the public were being lied to.

My reply was that I felt they were being lied to regardless of country, and what makes you believe the figures your looking at are true in those countries, likewise you could say what makes me believe the figures are false in GB.

My opinion was that GB have struggled immensely for weeks to get figures below the hundreds, yet miraculously for the last two days they have been way below 100, lets hope that this continues.

But it doesn't mean for one minute that what were being told is true, if you see what I mean, no country across the world can afford to carry on the way it has had to these last few months, and they need to get back on there feet, they can't do this by having to quarantine the populations.

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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:57am

I have never fully trusted the Government Numbers. Not particularly because we are being lied to but due to shear lack of scientific understanding and the Selection of convenient numbers.

 Both U.K. politicians and bureaucrats have very few with any science qualification. Most of the science knowledge on virus transmission is found in DEFRA but politicians did not dare to use them in case the media found out.

Best source of U.K. numbers is found in the university sites. This one gives useful data written in an understandable way. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-cases-uk? The site also has some excellent presentations.

The death rate is nowhere near as important as the New infection rate when considering when we can “open up” and 5,000 a Day is Not a small number, but it is finally falling.

I do wish we had stayed in our villa in Spain in January. It would have been far less risky than our return to U.K. 

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:07am

The best figures are given on Tuesday by the ONS, ordance national survey. From January 2020 to 1st June there was 83,000 deaths in the UK. Compared to the same dates January to beginning of june in 2019 where there had been 38,000 deaths. If a person was not tested for coronavirus before death then they do not go on the government system of recorded deaths by coronavirus given daily. And lets face it this government is sh^$¥ at testing. Still no track and trace system up and working whilst rest of Europe has been track and tracing for 2 months already. 

Our schools are closing due to infections, all the small village places never mentioned. 

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:42am

Good point Sammylouise.

I seem to remember several weeks ago prominent politicians saying we have to listen to, and work with other countries to see how their dealing with the crisis.

As per usual this hasn't happened, the UK government have bimbled and bumbled thier way along and tried to guess what to do next, whilst a majority of the rest of Europe have seen significant turn rounds in infection and death rates.

They've only just made face masks compulsory on public transport, something Sadiq Khan was asking for weeks ago, don't get me wrong Sadiq is not my cup of tea, but he got that spot on but was totally ignored.

Typical party petit arguments have slowed things down and nobody has stood up as a true leader and made decisions through fear of upsetting the public

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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:11am

Garyp47 wrote on Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:42am:

Good point Sammylouise.

I seem to remember several weeks ago prominent politicians saying we have to listen to, and work with other countries to see how their dealing with the crisis.

As per usual this hasn't happened, the UK government have bimbled and bumbled thier way along and tried to guess what to do next, whilst a majority of the rest of Europe have seen significant turn rounds in infection and death rates.

They've only just made face masks compulsory on public transport, something Sadiq Khan was asking for weeks ago, don't get me wrong Sadiq is not my cup of tea, but he got that spot on but was totally ignored.

Typical party petit arguments have slowed things down and nobody has stood up as a true leader and made decisions through fear of upsetting the public

G.

You are so right in your observation. 

The Conservative theology of UK is using people as Guinea pigs and monitoring what happens. Unlike Spain that is showing a definite plan of stages of protection of everyone of all ages. 

In the UK vulnerable people who worked their entire life and supplied taxes were not given support or ppe. The UK has always complained about the cost of pensions and elderly. The government has shown no responsibility of care. 

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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:15am

This is true.

People who have worked all thier lives  are a thorn in any governments side.

They don't give a jot about them, but seriously they haven't even started yet, I can see the next kick in the arse coming.

Whenever the government have a crisis they do one thing, CHUCK MONEY AT IT, who is going to pay for the BILLIONS of pounds that they have miraculously found to tackle this crisis, pension pots will yet again be robbed, taxes will go up working age will yet again rise, so eventually they will phase out old age pension all together.

So instead of the government having to pay the pensions the workers will pay the government because they will still be working and won't require a pension and will die whilst still working, job done.

My question is this, when people have asked for a small pay rise there is not enough in the government coffers to afford it, but they found billions upon billions to throw at the crisis, they've always had the money just don't want to give it to the people who deserve it. Scandalous !, when we've got ex squaddies destitute on the streets.

G.

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