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DH123 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:50am:
"We, are actually very sensible people but we do not believe in anything that has happened in the last 2 years."
Brilliant.
And your point being?
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:11pm
Paulo3339 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:06pm:
And your point being?
Just re-read what you've written. If you don't see anything wrong, then there's not a lot that can be said or done.
(It would be funny if the consequences for some weren't so serious).
DH123 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:11pm:
Just re-read what you've written. If you don't see anything wrong, then there's not a lot that can be said or done.
(It would be funny if the consequences for some weren't so serious).
It was a very rushed reply as was driving at the time.
I could indeed rework that and with more depth and clarity but it would clearly be wasted!
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:15pm
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DH123 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:11pm:
Just re-read what you've written. If you don't see anything wrong, then there's not a lot that can be said or done.
(It would be funny if the consequences for some weren't so serious).
Whilst I agree with Paulo on some of his points and very much believe in caring for my own immune system well, with mega-doses of vitamin C and D3, plus a few other daily supplements, I did succumb to having the first two Covid jabs (and feeling really ill after the second one)! I've never had a flu vaccine and never will and have probably only ever actually had flu a couple of times in my entire life. Your somewhat patronising comment though needs replying to. Just read it back to yourself and wonder why, "It would be funny if the consequences for some weren't so serious". Surely if "those", who believe that the Covid vaccine is the be-all and end-all of not catching the virus, have been vaccinated, then they're not likely to catch it, are they? Oh.... they can still catch it after having been vaccinated? I rest my case!
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:47pm
Mags44 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:15pm:
Whilst I agree with Paulo on some of his points and very much believe in caring for my own immune system well, with mega-doses of vitamin C and D3, plus a few other daily supplements, I did succumb to having the first two Covid jabs (and feeling really ill after the second one)! I've never had a ...
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...flu vaccine and never will and have probably only ever actually had flu a couple of times in my entire life. Your somewhat patronising comment though needs replying to. Just read it back to yourself and wonder why, "It would be funny if the consequences for some weren't so serious". Surely if "those", who believe that the Covid vaccine is the be-all and end-all of not catching the virus, have been vaccinated, then they're not likely to catch it, are they? Oh.... they can still catch it after having been vaccinated? I rest my case!
First, I don't mind at all appearing, or actually being, patronising in the face of nonsense on a public forum that may lead someone to get seriously ill or even die when wholly unnecessary. Conspiracy theories can be amusing, but not when they affect someone's health. There is a gulf between being sceptical and falling into these nonsensical, unscientific theories.
Second, there are some serious misunderstandings here about viruses and vaccines.
The anti-Covid vaccines, like all vaccines, serve one purpose, and one purpose only: they significantly reduce the degree of serious illness or death. I don't know of any vaccine, anti-Covid or otherwise, that prevents you from being infected. If exposed, the virus will enter your body come what may. It's what happens next that counts. Indirectly, mass vaccination also means people, healthy and suffering, will have the disease for less time and hence reduce transmission.
It's now also the case that a lot of ICU beds are taken up by the unvaccinated. The way out of the restrictive measures is to lower the workload on the health services. I often work with healthcare professionals in hospitals, thankfully not in ICU or respiratory care, but it affects the whole hospital. If the doctors had a euro for every unvaccinated patient "who was sure they wouldn't get ill".
Also, it is always your immune system that deals with a viral infection, not the vaccine itself. The vaccine just preps your immune system, in advance, ready for the fight to come. It doesn't do the fighting.
Once you're infected, it's too late if you haven't already been vaccinated. That's why the unvaccinated going into ICU don't understand why they can't have the jab to save them. It's too late.
As an analogy, the vaccine is the miltary boot camp for civvies that turns you (i.e. your immune system) into a soldier and prepares you for fighting the enemy. Yes, as the original poster has found, bootcamp can be tough and some find it easier than others, but if you want to be ready against a determined enemy who is intent on taking over your body for its own purposes, then it's the best way. The vaccine "knows" the enemy, how it acts and its weaknesses, and can teach your immune system to deliver a killer blow. So, you can either turn up to the fight as a soldier equipped to kill the enemy, or as a civvy in your flip-flops and beach shorts and cross your fingers that your immune system will know what to do.
In any case, vaccinated or unvaccinated, take care of yourselves and others.
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DH123 wrote on Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:47pm:
First, I don't mind at all appearing, or actually being, patronising in the face of nonsense on a public forum that may lead someone to get seriously ill or even die when wholly unnecessary. Conspiracy theories can be amusing, but not when they affect someone's health. There is a gulf between bei...
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...ng sceptical and falling into these nonsensical, unscientific theories.
Second, there are some serious misunderstandings here about viruses and vaccines.
The anti-Covid vaccines, like all vaccines, serve one purpose, and one purpose only: they significantly reduce the degree of serious illness or death. I don't know of any vaccine, anti-Covid or otherwise, that prevents you from being infected. If exposed, the virus will enter your body come what may. It's what happens next that counts. Indirectly, mass vaccination also means people, healthy and suffering, will have the disease for less time and hence reduce transmission.
It's now also the case that a lot of ICU beds are taken up by the unvaccinated. The way out of the restrictive measures is to lower the workload on the health services. I often work with healthcare professionals in hospitals, thankfully not in ICU or respiratory care, but it affects the whole hospital. If the doctors had a euro for every unvaccinated patient "who was sure they wouldn't get ill".
Also, it is always your immune system that deals with a viral infection, not the vaccine itself. The vaccine just preps your immune system, in advance, ready for the fight to come. It doesn't do the fighting.
Once you're infected, it's too late if you haven't already been vaccinated. That's why the unvaccinated going into ICU don't understand why they can't have the jab to save them. It's too late.
As an analogy, the vaccine is the miltary boot camp for civvies that turns you (i.e. your immune system) into a soldier and prepares you for fighting the enemy. Yes, as the original poster has found, bootcamp can be tough and some find it easier than others, but if you want to be ready against a determined enemy who is intent on taking over your body for its own purposes, then it's the best way. The vaccine "knows" the enemy, how it acts and its weaknesses, and can teach your immune system to deliver a killer blow. So, you can either turn up to the fight as a soldier equipped to kill the enemy, or as a civvy in your flip-flops and beach shorts and cross your fingers that your immune system will know what to do.
In any case, vaccinated or unvaccinated, take care of yourselves and others.
Wow. Just wow! Lol
Paulo3339 wrote on Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:20pm:
You obviously only watch the beeb or sky news.
This so called vaccine is harming and killing so many people.
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Healthy sports people dropping like flies atm with breathing problems an heart attacks.
This ia very experimental so called vaccine, not long term tested and the tests that were performed on animals before they moved forward for use on humans actually died.
If you still believe after 2 years and 3 jabs this is about a virus I am amazed tbh.
Google WEF and see if you can see the link!
Well if it's on Google it must be true. People will always find stuff on the internet that fits in with their crazy theories. They call it "doing my own research". Scientists do research based on access to huge amounts of data and proven methods. Leave it to those who know.
Sean95 wrote on Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:10am:
Well if it's on Google it must be true. People will always find stuff on the internet that fits in with their crazy theories. They call it "doing my own research". Scientists do research based on access to huge amounts of data and proven methods. Leave it to those who know.
Try duck duck go then. If you need an answer for anything these days surely you "Google it"? You sound very untrusting regarding the Internet lol. So, did you look into the WEF? If you did, but most likely you couldn't be bothered no doubt, did you find it interesting?Unfortunately due to censorship on these pages I cannot enlighten you further. Which is rather unfortunate in these days of so called free speech. The so called conspiracy theorists have been correct with all the events of these past two years.
All I will say is time will tell!
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:27am
Anne2019 wrote on Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:12pm:
This brought back memories. I was raised in Yorkshire and with the much needed influx of immigrants to the work in the mills etc., we found they also brought polio; tuberculosis and once smallpox! As a child I remember queuing around the townhall to register and receive our jabs...
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... on each occasion. Then follow up jabs at school. I was a young child but as far as I know the success rate at quelling any epidemics was 100% successful, as you say.
I too was a child in one of the Heavy Woollen District towns but think I am older than you, my memory of having the polio vaccination is a cloudy one of being given it on a teaspoon of sugar, and then being tested for the BCG vaccination against TB at school, I think I was at the Grammar School then, so must have been at least 11, and being told I didn’t need it. I think I felt a bit cheated as all my classmates did!
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:21pm
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LIZ77 wrote on Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:27am:
I too was a child in one of the Heavy Woollen District towns but think I am older than you, my memory of having the polio vaccination is a cloudy one of being given it on a teaspoon of sugar, and then being tested for the BCG vaccination against TB at school, I think I was at the Grammar Sc...
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...hool then, so must have been at least 11, and being told I didn’t need it. I think I felt a bit cheated as all my classmates did!
Not much older, I think. I wonder if my memory serves me well and I had my polio on a sugar lump ... yup asked my older sister ... you're right it was a sugar lump. Fancy me forgetting that. I shall put it down to a 'senior moment.' :-))
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