Don't shoot the messenger!!!!!

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:18pm

9 replies463 views7 members subscribed

eraser

Very helpful member

Posts: 800

679 helpful points

Location: Los Urrutias

Joined: 8 May 2018

Copied from an other Forum:

Ian Jarmey .

Apologies all, again don't shoot the messenger. Bit of a long winded post but IMPORTANT. Had this sent to me earlier by my brother in law who owns a property in Murcia. Not a Resident and just wondered if we were aware or had heard anything! It would appear that because the UK is no longer in the EU, to have Family or friends come to stay in our homes, we now have to apply for a ' Carta de Invitación' from the National Police. And ONLY Residents can do this. I have also posted on Brexpats for clarification. Awaiting a response! Like i say, please don't shoot the messenger! Just trying to find out if factual..Here you go.

Originally posted by 'Richelle Andalusia'

Confirmed in Granada this morning, and by Antequera National Police as well, with thanks to the helpful lady there. Like for all other non EU nationals wishing to visit Spain and NOT lodging in paid holiday accommodation, but with friends or family instead, the host in Spain must apply for a Carta de Invitacion for each person involved. ONLY LEGAL RESIDENTS in Spain can apply for this Carta for the family or friends they wish to receive in their own (or rented) home or a second home they own here, NON - RESIDENT HOME OWNER CAN NOT. The latter can only receive non EU guests in their holiday home if the property is listed as a holiday rental with the Registro de Turismo and they charge for their stay and provide the guests with a tourist rental contract and confirmation of booking. For those who rent their home, please check that the rental contract doesn’t contain a clause that prohibits guests from lodging with you, or only allows so for very limited time in case they intend to stay for several weeks e.g. This has nothing to do with a visa obligation. For both nationals from non EU countries with, as well as without a visa obligation to enter Spain, this Carta is an accommodation requirement and if you cannot show a booking for tourist accommodation, the Carta is required instead. The procedure is a TWO-STEP one. You need to apply for the Carta de Invitación with the National Police in your area, with a cita previa. https://sede.administracionspublicas.gob.es/icpco/index. Fill out this form for each guest. http://www.interior.gob.es/.../8080219/solicitud+de+carta =invitacion.pdf/ And Modelo 790-12 to pay the administrative fee. Tick solicitude carta de invitacion. The amount of 74.31 euros will appear.https://sede.policia.gob.es/Tasa790_012/ImpresoRellenar. Supporting Documents to bring ✼ Title deeds or rental contract for the Property where the guests will be lodging. Padron certificate not older than 3 months ✼ TIE or green EU residency certificate and passport plus copies ✼ Copies of the passports of the guests that will travel from the UK to Spain to stay with you There is no fixed window to process your application, it depends on how busy they are, but generally no more than 20 days. Once you have been notified that your application has been resolved favourably, you can pick up the the Carta(s) de Invitación. You’ll need a SECOND FORM 790-12 tick ‘Expedición de Carta de Invitación’. No amount will appear, you need to print the form and put in the amount of 6,43 euros times number of guests. So for a family of five, 5 x 6,43 = 32,15. Note that these amounts vary each time the State General Budget for the following year is approved and published. Once you have the Carta(s), you need to send them to the UK so that the guest can bring the originals with them when they travel to Spain. It will no doubt take a bit of getting used to, but this has been in place for all non EU nationals for many years. Although the GOV UK website doesn’t mention anything in their ‘travel to Spain’ section, the Carta de Invitación is in fact in place for UK Nationals when travelling to the EU for tourist

Reply
+2Helpful
View 9 replies

9 replies

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 3:09pm

Kalli

Helpful member

Posts: 300

240 helpful points

Location: Cehegín

Joined: 6 Sep 2018

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 3:09pm

OK I'll start. AARGHHHHHH!!!!!!

My husband was talking on the phone to a friend in Alicante province this morning and this was mentioned then. The first link given above did not work. The second said that the document was 'not found'. Perhaps they are being revised.

Having read through this post carefully, it is implied that a carta de invitación is required for each visit. If so, gone will be the days of family arriving with just a few days notice.😥😥

The link to Modelo 790-12 works. There is a list of non EU countries at the bottom of the form which have a Visa Flexibility Agreement with Spain. The UK is not on this list. Possibly under discussion?? Maybe not even relevant to this issue.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 8:22pm

Stevie100

Helpful member

Posts: 274

276 helpful points

Location: Sucina

Joined: 24 Feb 2020

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 8:22pm

Kalli wrote on Wed May 19, 2021 3:09pm:
OK I'll start. AARGHHHHHH!!!!!!
My husband was talking on the phone to a friend in Alicante province this morning and this was mentioned then. The first link given above did not work. The second said that the document was 'not found'. Perhaps they are being revised.

Read more...

Having read through this post carefully, it is implied that a carta de invitación is required for each visit. If so, gone will be the days of family arriving with just a few days notice.😥😥
The link to Modelo 790-12 works. There is a list of non EU countries at the bottom of the form which have a Visa Flexibility Agreement with Spain. The UK is not on this list. Possibly under discussion?? Maybe not even relevant to this issue.

This was taken from another site

"There are two government websites that talk about this. In both cases, they refer to someone applying for a Schengen visa to enter Spain who need a letter of invitation to get the visa. Won't apply to Brits as no visa will be necessary".

and this is my opinion

How would the authorities deal with people who book different accommodation for each night that they are in the country? i.e. Those that choose to travel around the country and book which town to stay in when they get there. Also people who own a property in Spain, how would they know whether they were an owner or a guest? Would they expect them to have the title deeds for their property in order to enter the country? I don't think so....

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:02pm

PeterC

Super helpful member

Posts: 2244

1457 helpful points

Location: Los Alcázares

Joined: 10 Nov 2016

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:02pm

https://sede.policia.gob.es/portalCiudadano/extranjeria/pr_aut_exp_carta_invi.html

Welcome to Spain...

What the post dies not make clear is that this does NOT apply to UK visitors. It is only for those from countries not on the non-visa list, and the UK was not on this list under the withdrawal agreement.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:40pm

Kalli

Helpful member

Posts: 300

240 helpful points

Location: Cehegín

Joined: 6 Sep 2018

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:40pm

This was in the Independent newspaper yesterday about France:

Brits visiting friends in France must pay €30 and register at town hall due to Brexit-triggered red tape | The Independent

Not just Spain then.

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 10:50am

SanPedro21

Posts: 12

18 helpful points

Location: Lo Pagan

Joined: 6 Jan 2021

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 10:50am

CAB has confirmed that it is when the guest/family is applying for a visa taking them over the 90 days. It does not apply under 90 days when no visa is required.

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 11:28am

PeterC

Super helpful member

Posts: 2244

1457 helpful points

Location: Los Alcázares

Joined: 10 Nov 2016

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 11:28am

And it only applies to non-EU nationals from a country that is on the list as needing a visa - not the UK then, and this was covered in the withdrawl agreement.

Until the Spanish react to the way the UK is putting Spanish arrivals in detention centres when they are trying to rejoin tyheir family, or to seek work...

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 12:07pm

PhilTox

Helpful member

Posts: 544

489 helpful points

Location: Camposol

Joined: 1 Oct 2018

Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 12:07pm

SanPedro21 wrote on Thu May 20, 2021 10:50am:
CAB has confirmed that it is when the guest/family is applying for a visa taking them over the 90 days. It does not apply under 90 days when no visa is required.

This is why you should get your "facts" in context, and complete. Far to much scaremongering, half truths and even lies on Facebook ect.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:23am

Floki

Posts: 107

34 helpful points

Location: Lorca

Joined: 12 Apr 2018

Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 10:23am

Same post was in a FB group . Everyone started ranting about the unfairness of it all. Read original paperwork and it doesn’t apply to your family coming for their fortnight hols.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 12:58pm

Anne2019

Helpful member

Posts: 404

274 helpful points

Location: Los Alcázares

Joined: 25 Dec 2019

Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 12:58pm

eraser wrote on Wed May 19, 2021 1:18pm:
Copied from an other Forum:
Read more...

...%2CP-R" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ian Jarmey .
Apologies all, again don't shoot the messenger. Bit of a long winded post but IMPORTANT. Had this sent to me earlier by my brother in law who owns a property in Murcia. Not a Resident and just wondered if we were aware or had heard anything! It would appear that because the UK is no longer in the EU, to have Family or friends come to stay in our homes, we now have to apply for a ' Carta de Invitación' from the National Police. And ONLY Residents can do this. I have also posted on Brexpats for clarification. Awaiting a response! Like i say, please don't shoot the messenger! Just trying to find out if factual..Here you go.
.
Originally posted by 'Richelle Andalusia'
Confirmed in Granada this morning, and by Antequera National Police as well, with thanks to the helpful lady there. Like for all other non EU nationals wishing to visit Spain and NOT lodging in paid holiday accommodation, but with friends or family instead, the host in Spain must apply for a Carta de Invitacion for each person involved. ONLY LEGAL RESIDENTS in Spain can apply for this Carta for the family or friends they wish to receive in their own (or rented) home or a second home they own here, NON - RESIDENT HOME OWNER CAN NOT. The latter can only receive non EU guests in their holiday home if the property is listed as a holiday rental with the Registro de Turismo and they charge for their stay and provide the guests with a tourist rental contract and confirmation of booking. For those who rent their home, please check that the rental contract doesn’t contain a clause that prohibits guests from lodging with you, or only allows so for very limited time in case they intend to stay for several weeks e.g. This has nothing to do with a visa obligation. For both nationals from non EU countries with, as well as without a visa obligation to enter Spain, this Carta is an accommodation requirement and if you cannot show a booking for tourist accommodation, the Carta is required instead. The procedure is a TWO-STEP one. You need to apply for the Carta de Invitación with the National Police in your area, with a cita previa. https://sede.administracionspublicas.gob.es/icpco/index. Fill out this form for each guest. http://www.interior.gob.es/.../8080219/solicitud+de+carta =invitacion.pdf/ And Modelo 790-12 to pay the administrative fee. Tick solicitude carta de invitacion. The amount of 74.31 euros will appear.https://sede.policia.gob.es/Tasa790_012/ImpresoRellenar. Supporting Documents to bring ✼ Title deeds or rental contract for the Property where the guests will be lodging. Padron certificate not older than 3 months ✼ TIE or green EU residency certificate and passport plus copies ✼ Copies of the passports of the guests that will travel from the UK to Spain to stay with you There is no fixed window to process your application, it depends on how busy they are, but generally no more than 20 days. Once you have been notified that your application has been resolved favourably, you can pick up the the Carta(s) de Invitación. You’ll need a SECOND FORM 790-12 tick ‘Expedición de Carta de Invitación’. No amount will appear, you need to print the form and put in the amount of 6,43 euros times number of guests. So for a family of five, 5 x 6,43 = 32,15. Note that these amounts vary each time the State General Budget for the following year is approved and published. Once you have the Carta(s), you need to send them to the UK so that the guest can bring the originals with them when they travel to Spain. It will no doubt take a bit of getting used to, but this has been in place for all non EU nationals for many years. Although the GOV UK website doesn’t mention anything in their ‘travel to Spain’ section, the Carta de Invitación is in fact in place for UK Nationals when travelling to the EU for tourist

This 'rumour' has been doing the rounds for a week or two now. I contacted both the UK Gov (living in spain) and the Spanish Embassy to get absolute confirmation of the FACTS! Here is the relevant part of the response. I finally received a reponse just 2 days ago.

Please Note: The most important words in the message '...is one of the OPTIONS available..' In other words a Carta de Invitacion is only one option. It is NOT a legal requirement.

At Spanish border control, visitors may need to:

· show a return or onward ticket

· show you have enough money for your stay

· show proof of accommodation for example, a hotel booking confirmation, proof of address if visiting your own property (e.g. second home), or an invitation from your host or proof of their address if staying with friends or family.

The Spanish Government has clarified that the “carta de invitation” is one of the options available to prove that you have accommodation if staying with friends or family.

More information is available from the Ministry of Interior here:

http://www.interior.gob.es/.../regime.../carta-de-invitacion

· use separate lanes from EU, EEA and Swiss citizens when queueing

· your passport will be stamped on entry and exit

For more information on visiting the EU visit: https://www.gov.uk/visit-eu-switzerland-norway-iceland...