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Posted: Sat Jan 1, 2022 2:39pm
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Mary C

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Hi

I have a property in Puerto de Mazarron. I noticed in 2020 and 2021 I have been taxed on 2% of the cadastral value rather than the usual 1.1% for the non resident tax. Does anyone have experience of this and do they know the reason why it has nearly doubled. 

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 10:29am

Mary C wrote on Sat Jan 1, 2022 2:39pm:

Hi

I have a property in Puerto de Mazarron. I noticed in 2020 and 2021 I have been taxed on 2% of the cadastral value rather than the usual 1.1% for the non resident tax. Does anyone have experience of this and do they know the reason why it has nearly doubled. 

Hi, is this your council tax 

paulsav

Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:35am

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:35am

Mary C wrote on Sat Jan 1, 2022 2:39pm:

Hi

I have a property in Puerto de Mazarron. I noticed in 2020 and 2021 I have been taxed on 2% of the cadastral value rather than the usual 1.1% for the non resident tax. Does anyone have experience of this and do they know the reason why it has nearly doubled. 

Hi Mary

If your property has been revalued (Cadastral value) within past 10years the % applied is 1.1% as you have been calculated on previously. However after 10years after last revaluation it goes to 2% which may mean it will likely be revalued in the near future. Since Brexit, ie 1/1/21, all non residents will be charged 24% instead of 19% which will hit us all this year as its paid a year in arrear. The increase of 5% is not too bad but the 1% to 2% is obviously a bigger hit as you say double. I am reading up about the possible "tourist tax" that may come into effect this year, what a stupid mistake if Spain goes ahead with that. First as non residents who already pay our INR for our property will be crippled if they spend the full allowance of 180days at their 2nd home (2x90) per year and as far as Spain is concerned we are classed as tourists. Secondly it will kill the holiday industry completely as tourists will just holiday elsewhere. I,m following all info on this subject closely. Spain know how to shoot itself in the foot for sure. 

Regards 

Pauline 

PeterC

Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 1:14pm

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"Spain know how to shoot itself in the foot for sure."

I doubt that Spain is very different to any other EU country. It was (some of) the UK that voted to change the status of its citizens.

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 1:19pm

PeterC wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 1:14pm:

"Spain know how to shoot itself in the foot for sure."

I doubt that Spain is very different to any other EU country. It was (some of) the UK that voted to change the status of its citizens.

Possibly correct Peter, all countries are having to make up the losses incurred through Covid but "a nightly tourist tax" is not a clever way to increase revenue. 

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Pauline 

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:30pm

paulsav wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 1:19pm:

Possibly correct Peter, all countries are having to make up the losses incurred through Covid but "a nightly tourist tax" is not a clever way to increase revenue. 

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Pauline 

There is considerable merit in a tourist tax depending on where it's levied and how and at what level. Quite a number of places in Germany, France and Italy levy one. And in Spain, Mallorca has had one since 2016 and tourism continued to grow year on year until the pandemic.

The max per night under that scheme you'll pay is 4 Euros if you're staying in luxury digs, and probably less. If you're in a posh place you're not really even gonna notice that. That's per person, per night. It's not payable by the under 16s, it's reduced if you stay longer, it's levied at a lower in low season.

I think what's crucial to remember is the money is collected locally by establishments and goes to the local authority to spend on improving the tourist experience. Lots of info here:  https://www.mallorca-properties.co.uk/news/how-much-is-tourist-tax-in-majorca/

So a) 'Spain' won't be shooting itself in the foot because 'Spain' won't be determining the tax, the autonomous regions will do that and probably they'll devolve power to municipalities. And b) plenty of evidence suggests that a tourist tax doesn't dampen revenue at all. Indeed, the opposite can be true. Obviously, for some resorts it could well be problematic but a sweeping "tourist tax is bad" isn't necessarily true. 

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:48pm

RossTrevor wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:30pm:

There is considerable merit in a tourist tax depending on where it's levied and how and at what level. Quite a number of places in Germany, France and Italy levy one. And in Spain, Mallorca has had one since 2016 and tourism continued to grow year on year until the pandemic.

The max per night under that scheme you'll pay is 4 Euros if you're staying in luxury digs, and probably less. If you're in a posh place you're not really even gonna notice that. That's per person, per night. It's not payable by the under 16s, it's reduced if you stay longer, it's levied at a low...

...er in low season.

I think what's crucial to remember is the money is collected locally by establishments and goes to the local authority to spend on improving the tourist experience. Lots of info here:  https://www.mallorca-properties.co.uk/news/how-much-is-tourist-tax-in-majorca/

So a) 'Spain' won't be shooting itself in the foot because 'Spain' won't be determining the tax, the autonomous regions will do that and probably they'll devolve power to municipalities. And b) plenty of evidence suggests that a tourist tax doesn't dampen revenue at all. Indeed, the opposite can be true. Obviously, for some resorts it could well be problematic but a sweeping "tourist tax is bad" isn't necessarily true. 

Thankyou for that information, as we,re not in a tourist location I guess I, ll have to hope our local Council does,nt levy a ridiculous charge. Even €2 a night would add a further €360 to our outgoings. I can only hope 2nd home owners are exempt. 

Regards 

Pauline 

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Posted: Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:59pm

paulsav wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:48pm:

Thankyou for that information, as we,re not in a tourist location I guess I, ll have to hope our local Council does,nt levy a ridiculous charge. Even €2 a night would add a further €360 to our outgoings. I can only hope 2nd home owners are exempt. 

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Pauline 

It doesn't look like 2nd homes are subject to tourism tax in Mallorca to me. It would be virtually impossible to administer. However, if you rented your place out when you're not there then your paying guests would be subject to it. I'd be more fearful of significant increases on non-res tax in the short term if you're in a not very touristy municipality.

FWIW I haven't heard or read anything recently about Murcia introducing such a tourism tax. And I think, considering the pandemic impact on tourism they won't want to rock the boat as the industry rebuilds.

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Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:44am

paulsav wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:35am:

Hi Mary

If your property has been revalued (Cadastral value) within past 10years the % applied is 1.1% as you have been calculated on previously. However after 10years after last revaluation it goes to 2% which may mean it will likely be revalued in the near future. Since Brexit, ie 1/1/21, all non resid...

...ents will be charged 24% instead of 19% which will hit us all this year as its paid a year in arrear. The increase of 5% is not too bad but the 1% to 2% is obviously a bigger hit as you say double. I am reading up about the possible "tourist tax" that may come into effect this year, what a stupid mistake if Spain goes ahead with that. First as non residents who already pay our INR for our property will be crippled if they spend the full allowance of 180days at their 2nd home (2x90) per year and as far as Spain is concerned we are classed as tourists. Secondly it will kill the holiday industry completely as tourists will just holiday elsewhere. I,m following all info on this subject closely. Spain know how to shoot itself in the foot for sure. 

Regards 

Pauline 

Hi, this is really good information thank you. I purchased in San Pedro in late 2020. Would you happen to know the forms to complete for the non resident tax which I believe I can just submit thru my bank.

Any information appreciated, thankyou, Regards Nigel

paulsav

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 12:02pm

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banskoboy wrote on Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:44am:

Hi, this is really good information thank you. I purchased in San Pedro in late 2020. Would you happen to know the forms to complete for the non resident tax which I believe I can just submit thru my bank.

Any information appreciated, thankyou, Regards Nigel

Hi Nigel

I have never done it myself, as I had read  about the calculations can vary so didn't want to ever botch it, so been using Angar Taxation  many years. Prefer to pay €40 and know its done properly. I believe the form is mod 210, and I know some people do it themselves so maybe someone else will share their info. You could pay Angar once and as you receive copies of all the paperwork involved you could then copy for following years. 

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Pauline 

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