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ann75

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:34pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:34pm

eduardo3332 wrote on Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:22am:

Sorry but I find this yet another Ex Pat or should I say Immigrant complaining about what they receive from the UK government.

When people decide to immigrate to another country, why should we expect the same treatment as those that reside in their mother country.

Here in Spain pensioners receive free health care which is much better that the Uk where I originally came from, doctors appointments within week normally. A&E about 30 minutes to triage, have recent experience of this. from what I understand this is not so in UK. 

Every year we receive an increase in our State pensions some Immigrants would say "it is not enough" if you lived in any other country that had not been in the EU ie, Australia, New Zealand, Canada or the Bahamas, you would get no increase.

Why not just accept you have decided to live in another country, follow there politics and what there residence receive, and if you are not happy return to your country of birth, but as many say they cannot afford that.

Look what benefits you possibly can get when I lived in Murcia City I had a free bus pass pensioners can also obtain subsidised holidays, instead of wasting time trying to stir up support for somthing that will never happen just enjoy your life.

Eduardo, normally I find your comments both agreeable and balanced but I'm not sure I agree with you on this issue. I think this is only the first time I find I don't share your view. 

British/Irish or anyone else emigrating to Spain or France are receiving pensions from their original country, which they have contributed towards all their working lives. 

Given that people have freedom of choice as to where they want to live why should what they receive differ in any way from what they would receive if they remained in their own countries? It's not as if heating is not just as necessary in these Med countries, more so in fact since most Spanish homes are not insulated they way homes in colder temps. are. So the need is the same and they have contributed to their pensions all their lives . Why deny them that comfort just because they have found a way to live more economically  comfortable in another country? 

After all if they were still in their own country the state would have to pay them the allowance anyway. By living in a more economically affordable country they are essentially less of a drain on other resources than if they were at home, ie  medical, home care, travel etc. So one thing cancels out the other don't you think ? 

I don't live in Spain permanently but know many ex pats who do and it's wonderful to see them living a more comfortable life here than they could do at home on the same money and all because of freedom of choice. It's their money, and it should be up to them where and how they want to spend it. It's only my opinion but I just had to respond to your post. 

I wish you a good day and look forward to reading your posts again going forward. 

eduardo3332

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:09pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:09pm

ann75 wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:17pm:

Because that's exactly what they are,🤔 What else would you call them? 

Yes people coming to Live permanently in Spain are "immigrants" why should British people consider any different , I am an immigrant and British

eduardo3332

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:19pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:19pm

ann75 wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:34pm:

Eduardo, normally I find your comments both agreeable and balanced but I'm not sure I agree with you on this issue. I think this is only the first time I find I don't share your view. 

British/Irish or anyone else emigrating to Spain or France are receiving pensions from their original country, which they have contributed towards all their working lives. ...

...

Given that people have freedom of choice as to where they want to live why should what they receive differ in any way from what they would receive if they remained in their own countries? It's not as if heating is not just as necessary in these Med countries, more so in fact since most Spanish homes are not insulated they way homes in colder temps. are. So the need is the same and they have contributed to their pensions all their lives . Why deny them that comfort just because they have found a way to live more economically  comfortable in another country? 

After all if they were still in their own country the state would have to pay them the allowance anyway. By living in a more economically affordable country they are essentially less of a drain on other resources than if they were at home, ie  medical, home care, travel etc. So one thing cancels out the other don't you think ? 

I don't live in Spain permanently but know many ex pats who do and it's wonderful to see them living a more comfortable life here than they could do at home on the same money and all because of freedom of choice. It's their money, and it should be up to them where and how they want to spend it. It's only my opinion but I just had to respond to your post. 

I wish you a good day and look forward to reading your posts again going forward. 

It is irrelevant which country a person comes to live in Spain they are an immigrant.

Before they moved they are aware of what they are entitled to "so don't complain " if they are not happy go back to their own country.

Many have lived in Spain, France, Portugal and Italy to name but a few under the radar paying no taxes working illegally and now they complain .

I find it amusing seeing how the uk population is complaining about immigrants but think immigrants here should have uk benefits 🤔

corphil

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:10pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:10pm

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN THE UK GOVERNMENT STOPPED THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE  FOR EXPATS LIVING IN SPAIN. THE FACT IS THAT THE VILLA'S ON CAMPOSOL ARE BUILT WITH SUMMER IN MIND AND  NOT FOR WINTER. THESE VILLA'S ARE FREEZING IN THE WINTER. THIS PAYMENT SHOULD BE RE-INSTATED TO HELP OAP'S KEEP THEIR VILLA'S WARM IN THE WINTER.

Lynne21

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:52pm

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eduardo3332 wrote on Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:22am:

Sorry but I find this yet another Ex Pat or should I say Immigrant complaining about what they receive from the UK government.

When people decide to immigrate to another country, why should we expect the same treatment as those that reside in their mother country.

Here in Spain pensioners receive free health care which is much better that the Uk where I originally came from, doctors appointments within week normally. A&E about 30 minutes to triage, have recent experience of this. from what I understand this is not so in UK. 

Every year we receive an increase in our State pensions some Immigrants would say "it is not enough" if you lived in any other country that had not been in the EU ie, Australia, New Zealand, Canada or the Bahamas, you would get no increase.

Why not just accept you have decided to live in another country, follow there politics and what there residence receive, and if you are not happy return to your country of birth, but as many say they cannot afford that.

Look what benefits you possibly can get when I lived in Murcia City I had a free bus pass pensioners can also obtain subsidised holidays, instead of wasting time trying to stir up support for somthing that will never happen just enjoy your life.

Here here!!!

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eduardo3332

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:01pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:01pm

corphil wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:10pm:

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN THE UK GOVERNMENT STOPPED THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE  FOR EXPATS LIVING IN SPAIN. THE FACT IS THAT THE VILLA'S ON CAMPOSOL ARE BUILT WITH SUMMER IN MIND AND  NOT FOR WINTER. THESE VILLA'S ARE FREEZING IN THE WINTER. THIS PAYMENT SHOULD BE RE-INSTATED TO HELP OAP'S KEEP...

... THEIR VILLA'S WARM IN THE WINTER.

Why do you need to use upper case, this is classed as shouting.

This is a discussion forum where most people express their views in a respectable manner.

The properties on Camposol are of prefabricated nature and anyone buying off plan would have been aware of this and was reflected in the price.

However it is irrelevant where or how the property is built  uk benifits are for people living in the UK, state pension is paid together with an annual increase which I am sure most are grateful for, I am.

Next people will be asking for an extra cost of living or disability allowance (many people under the rada were claiming before Brexit) as I have previously said be happy for what you have, if not return to your original country of residence if you think you will have a better life.

ann75

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:06pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:06pm

eduardo3332 wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:19pm:

It is irrelevant which country a person comes to live in Spain they are an immigrant.

Before they moved they are aware of what they are entitled to "so don't complain " if they are not happy go back to their own country.

Many have lived in Spain, France, Portugal and Italy to name but a few under the radar paying no taxes working illegally and now they complain .

I find it amusing seeing how the uk population is complaining about immigrants but think immigrants here should have uk benefits 🤔

Yes I agree but what they are complaining about is that the UK Govt. Is talking about withdrawing this particular benefit. My argument is that regardless of where pensioners live they should receive the same benefits as what they would receive regardless of where they are currently living. 

They are not sponging off the British tax payer, they have contributed all their lives in most cases. Also, this is something they were previously entitled to but now the rules are changing so they couldn't have known this would happen. Maybe it won't happen..

Broadly speaking we seem to be on the same page I think. 

corphil

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:05pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:05pm

ann75 wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:06pm:

Yes I agree but what they are complaining about is that the UK Govt. Is talking about withdrawing this particular benefit. My argument is that regardless of where pensioners live they should receive the same benefits as what they would receive regardless of where they are currently living. 

They are not sponging off the British tax payer, they have contributed all their lives in most cases. Also, this is something they were previously entitled to but now the rules are changing so they couldn't have known this would happen. Maybe it won't happen.....

...

Broadly speaking we seem to be on the same page I think. 

THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE WAS CANCELLED SOME YEARS AGO. WE USED TO RECEIVE IT BUT THEN IT WAS TAKEN AWAY. MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF HAVE PAID NATIONAL INSURANCE ALL OUR LIVES.

Roland

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:31pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:31pm

corphil wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:05pm:

THE WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE WAS CANCELLED SOME YEARS AGO. WE USED TO RECEIVE IT BUT THEN IT WAS TAKEN AWAY. MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF HAVE PAID NATIONAL INSURANCE ALL OUR LIVES.

Please could you stop using upper case letters in your posts ?

It has been pointed out to you previously several times that this is regarded as shouting & is quite rude on internet forums.

eduardo3332

Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:57pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 1, 2023 8:57pm

ann75 wrote on Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:06pm:

Yes I agree but what they are complaining about is that the UK Govt. Is talking about withdrawing this particular benefit. My argument is that regardless of where pensioners live they should receive the same benefits as what they would receive regardless of where they are currently living. 

They are not sponging off the British tax payer, they have contributed all their lives in most cases. Also, this is something they were previously entitled to but now the rules are changing so they couldn't have known this would happen. Maybe it won't happen.....

...

Broadly speaking we seem to be on the same page I think. 

We have all (or most) paid national  insurance but if you think back to the amount we were paying in relation to the pension being received and the yearly increase why should we expect more.

I started work on 1 shilling and six pennies an hour

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