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Cidergirl

Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 9:45pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 9:45pm

Plenty of information online ref pollution of the Mar Menor. Even if it’s not unsafe it certainly doesn’t look very appealing. Sadly it’s not an easy fix. 

PeteinAberdare

Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 10:00pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 10:00pm

What are you basing that statement "doesn't look very appealing" on? Photos on Facebook on the "Los Alcazares - Info for All" site have shown glorious conditions over the last week, including the fishing competition this weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10230635975029708&set=g.402022619937067

Cidergirl

Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 10:51pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 10:51pm

I have a holiday home in the area and visit regularly, I can see with my own eyes. I prefer to swim in the med 

SteveeX

Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 11:54pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 6, 2022 11:54pm

PeteinAberdare wrote on Sun Nov 6, 2022 10:00pm:

What are you basing that statement "doesn't look very appealing" on? Photos on Facebook on the "Los Alcazares - Info for All" site have shown glorious conditions over the last week, including the fishing competition this weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10230635975029708&set=g.402022619937067
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Two points:

(1) From another Mar Menor forum: "The Mar Menor water quality waxes & wanes in terms of turbidity/transparency. Some days it looks fantastic other days it looks yuk. Unfortunately, the hotter the water gets in the MM, the more likely it is to go green. It was doing just about OK last summer until mid/end of July when the effects of the Lucifer heatwave in southern Europe caught up with it, water temperature went over 30°C and things went green(er).".

(2) I think it highly objectionable that challenges like this one are made by some whenever comments about the Mar Menor are made which are not to their liking. It is inimical to the purpose of this forum, which is the free sharing of advice, points of view and observations between people with a legitimate interest in the area. I was similarly challenged for suggesting a nearby Med beach for swimming to a poster who had reservations about swimming in the Mar at the present time. As it happens, like Cindergirl, I entirely share those reservations, and do not apologise to anyone for that. 

PeteinAberdare

Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2022 8:34am

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Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2022 8:34am

SteveeX wrote on Sun Nov 6, 2022 11:54pm:

Two points:

(1) From another Mar Menor forum: "The Mar Menor water quality waxes & wanes in terms of turbidity/transparency. Some days it looks fantastic other days it looks yuk. Unfortunately, the hotter the water gets in the MM, the more likely it is to go green. It was doing just about OK last summer ...

...until mid/end of July when the effects of the Lucifer heatwave in southern Europe caught up with it, water temperature went over 30°C and things went green(er).".

(2) I think it highly objectionable that challenges like this one are made by some whenever comments about the Mar Menor are made which are not to their liking. It is inimical to the purpose of this forum, which is the free sharing of advice, points of view and observations between people with a legitimate interest in the area. I was similarly challenged for suggesting a nearby Med beach for swimming to a poster who had reservations about swimming in the Mar at the present time. As it happens, like Cindergirl, I entirely share those reservations, and do not apologise to anyone for that. 

We are all aware of what has happened in the MM.

The problem is that when people ask is it safe to go in now, some people make out it isn't, when it clearly is.

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Sean95

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:02am

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:02am

Keith99901 wrote on Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:46am:

Hi, we too recently spent time in Los Alcazares and loved it. We are hoping to move to Spain next year and L A was our first choice. Whilst we were there we had a torrential downpour and the following day lots of areas of the beach had been washed away and the sea was very brown in colour. A loca...

...l told us that when there is a torrential downpour, sewerage and pesticides from the farmers fields get washed into the sea. We tried to find a site online that gave us safety readings for the Mar Menor, but could only find readings for the high season. It is such a shame as it's a beautiful area.

I assume we're talking about fertiliser run-off from agriculture rather than pesticides? Can anyone who has researched this confirm which, as more and more pesticides are being banned. 

Roberto30710

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:57am

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:57am

The algal bloom problem from 2018-2019 and the subsequent rapid increase in seagrass growth caused by fertiliser runoff (nitrates). The fish kill occurs from low oxygen levels in the deeper parts, caused by rotting biomass from the above. (not from pesticides)

Since then, the use of fertilisers in many farming areas close to the Mar Menor has banned or very much restricted, with sensors detecting use. It will take a while for these changes to improve the environment damage but it will happen.

Many serious daily swimmers report that the water is much much clearer than in past years and the fish stocks appear to be rising. The recent fishing contest seems to back that up.

Sean95

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:04pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:04pm

Roberto30710 wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:57am:

The algal bloom problem from 2018-2019 and the subsequent rapid increase in seagrass growth caused by fertiliser runoff (nitrates). The fish kill occurs from low oxygen levels in the deeper parts, caused by rotting biomass from the above. (not from pesticides)

Since then, the use of fertilisers in many farming areas close to the Mar Menor has banned or very much restricted, with sensors detecting use. It will take a while for these changes to improve the environment damage but it will happen....

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Many serious daily swimmers report that the water is much much clearer than in past years and the fish stocks appear to be rising. The recent fishing contest seems to back that up.

Thanks for the info. Would be worried about pesticides from the health aspect, nitrates not so much.. 

ann75

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:24pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:24pm

Roberto30710 wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:57am:

The algal bloom problem from 2018-2019 and the subsequent rapid increase in seagrass growth caused by fertiliser runoff (nitrates). The fish kill occurs from low oxygen levels in the deeper parts, caused by rotting biomass from the above. (not from pesticides)

Since then, the use of fertilisers in many farming areas close to the Mar Menor has banned or very much restricted, with sensors detecting use. It will take a while for these changes to improve the environment damage but it will happen....

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Many serious daily swimmers report that the water is much much clearer than in past years and the fish stocks appear to be rising. The recent fishing contest seems to back that up.

Thank you for explaining that in such easy parlance. Great to know that, given time, the Mar Menor will return to its former glory and hopefully lessons will be learned from its near demise.

Anne2019

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:55pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:55pm

PeteinAberdare wrote on Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:21pm:

My wife swam every day last week, well out from the beach, water clear and she could see fish on the sea-bed. I swam close to the beach and it was clear there too. 

My hubby is doing the Christmas Day Mar Menor swim.   He's even bought some new speedos for the occasion!  Noah was a lad last time he bought a new pair.   I shall be on the beach videoing and cheering everyone on.

As you say, we live here, love our lives and regularly go to the beach.  Plenty of fish, of all sizes, if there was pollution as happened in the big Gota Fria in 2016, it kills the fish.  So the sea and beaches here are perfectly safe to swim in.

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