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Sandy33

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:31am

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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:31am

Roberto30710 wrote on Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:50am:

There is a third Visa option, to apply for Residencia as a self employed person, an 'autonomo'.

This is particularly suitable for people who have been working remotely, and that is a lot of people these days and will be able to continue to do that. There are many 'autonomos' now working in Spain, as they would in Britain, with Residencia....

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Make sure that is discussed with your advisor.  

If you want more information on this, please PM

Thank you so much for this information. Really helpful.

Sandra

Sandy33

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:33am

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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:33am

Sp00ky wrote on Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:56pm:

Hi Sandy,

I have, this month collected my Visa from the Spanish Consulate in London and all thanks to :- Lucia Lagunas Reyes [email protected]

She lead me through the whole thing, very professional and very responsive.

Good luck it is not straight forward.

Steve

Steve

Thank you so much for this information. Really helpful.

Sandra

eduardo3332

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:14pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:14pm

dave sierra golf wrote on Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:40am:

Hola    I have no idea how rude you are     but please engage your brain before using your index finger       

LIBERTY  SEGUROS      are    professionals   you silly person       grow up!!! 

I would suggest that you actually think about who is being rude!! and it is not PhilTox

The company that you have suggested that used to have the sign Liberty Insurance, which has been removed is an insurance broker that dabbles in other things.

For example I was being lazy and decided to let them arrange to exchange my driving licence, I paid extra at the medical as I wished to keep my Mini bus permission to drive, for charity work I do. When I received my licence the mini bus entitlement was missing, I asked, these professional, why and there reply was "we did not know the law" enough said.

As many people have suggested gather as much information as possible and visit the official web sites.

It is more difficult now but there are many benifits of living here.

eduardo3332

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:29pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:29pm

PeterC wrote on Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:08pm:

Read everything you can on what it is really like to live in Spain post-Brexit.

If you drive, are you prepared to pay for and take a Spanish driving test? Have you got accurate quotes for health insurance? Are you happy that there is virtually no CCTV in Spain (apart from the traffic ones to raise €€?) and the current crime rates? Are you aware of current costs for power...

..., food and motor fuel?

It can be a major disruption to your life for the sake of having some sunshine.

Written by someone who has lived in Spain for nearly 17 years.

I understand Peter C had been in Spain for 17 years, but is very disillusioned with his life here since his move from I believe Malaga to Murcia and if things are that bad why has he not moved back to the UK?

All the things suggested, driving any country you decide to move to you would have to pay for a test, Health care can be expensive, but when I was paying for my staff in the Uk to be in BUPA this was considerably more expensive than health care here, also you can obtain the public health system. CCTV cameras, the Uk has the most cctv in the world per population and many people consider this and encroachment of there privacy, and the speed cameras there, are also to raise £££ as for "Are you aware of current costs for power, food and motor fuel?" it is still much cheaper than the UK

Take the difficult hurdles you may have to make and come and enjoy the life style, Oh and I forgot the sunshine.

Written by a UK immigrant who has lived here for over 23 years.

Mags44

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:15pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:15pm

dave sierra golf wrote on Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:40am:

Hola    I have no idea how rude you are     but please engage your brain before using your index finger       

LIBERTY  SEGUROS      are    professionals   you silly person       grow up!!! 

PhilTox is right and it is not he, who is being rude! Liberty Seguros is just an insurance company. There is nothing on their website to indicate that they have any specialist knowledge on the legalities of third-country citizens relocating to Spain. There are, however, specialists in this field who do! Maybe you should check out the Liberty Seguros' website before using YOUR index finger. The clue is in their title of "Liberty SEGUROS". They sell insurance and nothing else!

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Paul111

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:35pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:35pm

Hi - we used a company called “Upsticks” google them,  chris took us through step by step, completed all paperwork etc, and directed us to the relevant organisations.

They even arranged the appointment at the Consulate in Manchester for us,  all the paperwork went through within 10 minutes.

Rega

rgz3435

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:40pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:40pm

dave sierra golf wrote on Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:40am:

Hola    I have no idea how rude you are     but please engage your brain before using your index finger       

LIBERTY  SEGUROS      are    professionals   you silly person       grow up!!! 

Avoid them. The key is in the word SEGUROS ! They are not immigration agents as such.

GrahamG

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:45pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:45pm

PeterC wrote on Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:08pm:

Read everything you can on what it is really like to live in Spain post-Brexit.

If you drive, are you prepared to pay for and take a Spanish driving test? Have you got accurate quotes for health insurance? Are you happy that there is virtually no CCTV in Spain (apart from the traffic ones to raise €€?) and the current crime rates? Are you aware of current costs for power...

..., food and motor fuel?

It can be a major disruption to your life for the sake of having some sunshine.

Written by someone who has lived in Spain for nearly 17 years.

The only difference post brexit is the driving licence, all the other things are still the same, cost of fuel and heating is a lot dearer in the uk.

PeterC

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:00pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:00pm

“if things are that bad why has he not moved back to the UK?”

Because the housing market is flatter than a tortilla and it is impossible to sell a house - unless you can afford to give it away and still buy a property in the UK.

RichT

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:31pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:31pm

Hi Sandra

As per some of the other responses, it's a good idea to come over and rent for a few months in the area you are thinking of buying to get a feel for the place, etc. (you could stay for 3 months without needing a visa).

Yes, the process (shown below) is harder than it was previously and you also need to be aware of tax implications around the timing of selling your property in the UK, as you could get charged Capital Gains Tax in Spain. However, we moved here permanently in May 2021 under this NLV process and are very happy.

Yes, Spain isn't as cheap as perhaps it's perceived to be (or was), but if you want a more relaxed life in the sun & warmth then this is the place to be. Note - I'm assuming that you are retired or will be retired for the purposes of the information provided...

The NLV process is as follows...

You need to apply for an NLV at the appropriate embassy / consulate in the UK. Broadly speaking, London serves the south of England; Manchester from the Midlands to the North West and Edinburgh for the very north of England and all Scotland. The consulate websites, visas sections, provides the list of requirements, which I've copied below, with my additional comments in bold:

LIST OF REQUIRED DOCUMENTS FOR A NON LUCRATIVE RESIDENCY

1 Passport or travel document valid for at least 6 months beyond the intended arrival to Spain with at least two blank pages to affix the visa.

2 One completely filled and signed National Visa Application Form.

3 Ex-01 form and 079-052 fee form to be paid at the Consulate on the day of your appointment. The visa and appointment fee totalled approx. £1,050 for the two of us.

4 One recent passport colour photograph. (No more than six months old)

5 For non-British citizens: A UK residence permit valid for at least 3 months. It can be either in form of Visa stamped on the applicant’s passport or a Residency Card. If you are a 'normal UK subject / citizen, this doesn't apply.

6 Medical (Health ) Certificate signed and stamped by a registered doctor. This Certificate must literally state that the Applicant does not suffer of any illness which represents a risk or a danger for the public according to the International Health Regulations of 2005. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. Our doctor charged £25 per certificate, using a template provided by our Spanish solicitor.

7 Certificate of Good Conduct issued by the country or countries where the applicant has resided in the past five years. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. This is a Police Certificate which is obtained from the ACRO website, at a cost of, I think, £55 per person - turnaround time was about 10 days.

Note - docs 6 & 7 had to be notarised (our UK solicitor charged £25 to do all our documents). The Hague Apostille is an additional government service, which costs £30 per document and has a turnaround time of about 10 days.

8 Full health cover for applicant and, if applicable, family member. There are specific policies, which must not include 'co-payments' which are acceptable for the NLV. Many companies offer these. We used Sanitas (which is part of BUPA), as our bank had a linked offer. I have seen DKV recommended by other people on this forum. The policy needs to be paid up front for a year and be 'live' at the date of the NLV application. We were 50 & 48, with no pre-existing conditions and our policy cost around £1,200 for the two of us. I have seen people with pre-existing conditions getting quotes as high as £6,000 pa each. It's important to shop around as prices vary significantly.

9 Means of maintenance in Spain in form of 2200 € per month for the main applicant. Each additional family member will need € 550 per month. In general, €33,000 pa for a couple. Note - this has just increased and is now around €35,000pa for a couple.

10 All documents must be translated into Spanish (and where it specifies a 'Sworn Translator', these are specific translation companies that charge a lot of money (however, our Spanish solicitor included this in her price).

Although I would say that I am quite confident and competent in completing forms, gathering evidence, etc.; as many forms needed to be completed in Spanish (and mine is very limited) we used a Spanish solicitor (Raquel at BeGlobal Attorneys) to assist in preparing all the paperwork, making the appointments, etc. but there is still quite a bit of work you need to do yourselves.

For the 'means of maintenance' we provided evidence of cash in bank, shares, premium bonds, rental income from a property we own and rent out in the UK, and my pension pot.

In total, the process took us about 12 weeks and cost around £2,300 (excluding the cost of the private health insurance) - of which the solicitor's fees were approx. £1,000. When you get the NLV, you then have to enter Spain within 3 months and then start the rest of the process (below) within 1 month of entering.

When we got to Spain, we then had to attend the Foreigners' Office at a specific Police Station to have fingerprints taken; and be added to the padron at the town hall. Approx. 5 weeks after this, we collected our TIE from the Police Station.

This NLV lasts for a year, then you have to renew for 2 years, then a further two years, then you can get permanent residency. Although I understand the renewal process is less onerous than the initial application!

Hope this helps - and happy to answer any questions you may have if you want to PM me...


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