Brexit: advice to those looking to move to Spain - Page 3

I must say it is nice to be able to have a discussion with someone who believes so firmly in their views, but, I suspect, also respects my own personal viewpoint. I have nothing to gain whether the UK had voted to remain or leave, but I do honestly fear that those negotiating our Brexit simply are not up to the job and will allow the EU team to dominate every aspect of the talks, which means a bad deal in the end for the UK. 

My concern is that collectively the Cabinet members, be they remainers or brexiteers, all appear to be doing U turns on almost everything connected with the Brexit. Boris, Gove, Hammond, Rudd, Davies, Fox, the PM herself, all have aired views since the referendum and gone back on them. Theresa May has put forward this image of strong and stable leadership, of one in total control of both her Cabinet and Brexit, but in reality she is in control of neither and is continually performing U turns which are allowing the remainers to gain strength. Not only that but she has weakened the Government's position with her election fiasco and this in turn has led to even more underhand dealings among some of her colleagues who are seeing themselves as an alternative PM when she falls, which undoubtedly will.

And this leads us to the biggest problem of all - is the focus of some of the Cabinet members really on getting Brexit right......or is it on positioning themselves as the next PM? If it is the latter, then the country will suffer badly in these negotiations, which is an awful prospect. I stated before that I will not support Brexit as I disagree with it, but I will likewise not stand up and support any call for further referendums etc. The public voted and regardless of what anyone thinks, that decision should be binding. But it is difficult to get behind those negotiating our exit as I have no faith in their ability to do justice to what the public voted for. I believe what we will finish up with will be a very watered down and diluted series of agreements which will benefit the EU far more than the UK and will result in a very disillusioned British public. And of course, this may well take years longer than announced. Just this week even Michael Gove announced that there will have to be a transitional period which will probably stretch to 2022. And yet he, just four months ago, proclaimed that we would definately be leaving in March 2019 and there would be no transitional period.

D Moss, the future looks interesting, but we have no say in it. What will be will be. I have enjoyed our discussions, though I believe you have me down as somebody I am not. I am most definately British. My grandfather fought for the country in the First World War and my father was a Lancaster bomber pilot at just 20 years of age in the Second World War. I am sure both would be sorry at the position the UK is in now, were they alive today.

Best wishes

One last point is I am neither a labour or a conservotive I am an ex police offIcer who has never voted not even been in a booth people tell me I should not complain because I have not voted but Tony Blair Teresa may Gordon Brown etc are all much of  muchness with regard to lies and looking to feather their own nests but CORBYN Diane Abbot ? Just the thought has made me think that I wI'll vote to help make sure that this didsalusioed due never get to a position of representing ME the thought is laughable but nearly happended what on earth made Teresa may go to the country I do not know but worse why would British people vote for someone who belongs back in the days of Russia and it's ideas. 

And sad Diane who could fund the 10,000 extra police on a budget of 30,000 300,000 3 million etc all would have recd £1 each wages per annum howe she got her job at the time because she backed Corbyn his only Ali and she would never be in a shadow cabinet for any other reason but the best part was she received a months garden leave to get them through the election due to a strange illness ???

My whole point is who should run the country none are my choice but they are best if a bad lot my hope is Teresa may will resign and someone with authority will take over. Who ? They can not be worse she lost as you say credibility but surely the country does not want Corbyn and DIane let loose to make us the laughing stock of the world not just Europe 

I have enjoyed our chat nothing personal nor do I think my we is best I am standing on the sidelines looking and watching politicians ripping of the public and the public ripping of each other with benefits we have 4 daughters 1 owns a buildung company employing 300 another anote employment agency doing Temps building employing several thousand people another is a solicitor the lady is a doctor 

But feel sorry for the grand children and great grandchildren how will they ever buy a house we helped ours but it's become. Ingredients impossible to help with the huge sums required the Brexit will not help them but nor was Europe 

I would sack the lot and put ordinary people our age group back in charge we can see the theft and robbery they are commuting why does it not get fixed ??

as an ex police officer do you have evidence  of  your ira statement , its about time the mods cleaned out this forum 

starting with statements about terrorsts that have nothing to do with  living in spain 

It was about the credential of a person to run a country with there previous leanings to terrorism in part of that country, this is well documented 

The brexit connection is that the person who negotiates the agreements for brexit are qualified to do so with objective views on the ex pat  community here in spain, my point remains that at present Teresa May is better qualified than the opposition to do this 

I believe the current Pm has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that she is not qualified to run a market stall let alone a country. Her record as Home Secretary was abysmal and she has lied continually about the Windrush catastrophe and her policy towards immigrants and has been found out. Her own Cabinet have no respect for her and she has absolutely no plans for what happens after Brexit. And her trust of that imbecile Trump is going to be the death knell for the Uk. Watch the business companies uproot and put thousands out of work because of Brexit. Wales voted to come out of the EU. Just watch them suffer now! Laughable. I 

There lies a party political broadcast on behalf of the labour party’

Windrush was started by the Labour Party ??? 

And what is sad is that like I said having not voted I will agree with the majority I,e, leave you are not agreeing with the majority I take it that when an election goes the opposite way you demand a recount or better still like many at the moment ask again ask again ask again until you agree with the answer ????

Sadly that is not a democracy that is commonism which is best ? 

I will stay with the status quo 

Clearly you are convinced in your own mind. You only have a few more months to see the fiasco Brexit will turn out to be for so many in the UK, in particular the huge amount taken in by he who would be Pm but doesn't even have the support of the rest of his Party. I will sit back and laugh at the sad fools that will lose their jobs and the misguided fools who were led to believe that NOTHING would change after Brexit. Lol we can always look to that idiot Trump for help.... Oh I forgot he is putting USA first....lol

And I will never agree with something I disagree with. That is for sheep. I make my own decisions about life and just because someone tells me I should go against my principles I certainly wouldn't. That is for your ilk. 

How sad you are unAbleble to participate in a sensible conversation 

Mine and the many others who did not vote will now back the majority and do whatever to make it work it is a shame people like you down everything that is not your idea thus making the pound drop because of your downing of the people’s wiwishes Teresa May voted against but unlike you she is making the best of it with the losers trying everything to ruin the smooth transition the U.K. lasted for 1000s of years before Europe and will do so after  

It is pointless trying to have any sensible conversation with you as you have your opinion and you want to ram it down everybody else's throats whether they like it or not. To repeat once again, as you seem unable to comprehend plain English (or spell it apparently), I voted remain as I disagreed with leaving the EU. The mere fact that just 3% of people more than remain voted to leave has not and never will influence me to change my mind or opinion. My opinion is that leaving the EU will bring severe economic hardship to many unsuspecting people in the UK many of whom are totally unaware of this scenario due to being duped by politicians who are only thinking of their own positions in Government and nothing else. The business sector has stressed over and over again the inherent problems they will face leaving the EU and this will be passed onto consumers, again many of whom do not even realise this. I believe 100% in a multi racial and cosmopolitan society in the UK as in every other country of the world, but sadly many in the UK want to close our country to other nationalities and keep ourselves to ourselves, 100% British and stuff anybody else. Yet when those same people travel overseas they want to be treated with respect and appreciation, the same things they want to deny Europeans wanting to come to the UK. The Government is not even fit to govern the country, yet they want to make decisions that will impact on UK citizens for generations to come. Crime is up in alarming numbers across the whole country. The Government is in denial. London is becoming crime ridden even in Central London with muggings, moped thieves roaming around robbing people at will. The Government is in denial. Multiple stabbings EVERY SINGLE DAY IN LONDON. The Government is in denial. 74 murders in London this year so far. The Government is in denial. The Cabinet is in total disarray and cannot agree with any Brexit plan. The Prime Minister is nothing more than a Prime Lapdog, dancing to the tune of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Donald Trump. She cannot decide on what is best for the country and gets no help from her Cabinet at all. Every day she is backtracking on what she promised the previous day. No plan, no ideas, nothing. And after 2 years of waiting since the referendum, still nothing. No information reaching the business sector and they are being treated like children.

And you seriously expect me to forego my principles, my beliefs and agree with you????? Seriously you need to take your head from your proverbial ****   and smell the roses.

I am British born and bred, but I feel ashamed of how Britain has become SINCE THE REFERENDUM RESULT. I no longer view it as the place it was 3/4 years ago as Johnson, Gove and their ilk have managed to turn people against each other with their continual drivel and lies. I consider myself EUROPEAN and am proud of that. 

Wait a few more months and then you can enjoy eating humble pie.........a very large slice of it as well!!!!!