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Dawn 22

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:10pm

Dawn 22

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:10pm

Casacymruenespana wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:21pm:

We retired at 55 having sold our house and drew down 25% of private pension so have adequate funds and don’t want the time to pass to get our state pension.

We have a 3 bed villa with pool and car and our annual costs are way less than we would be paying in Wales…there really is no comparison to energy costs, rates, car insurance & entertainment (food & drink)....

...

We travel back to Wales on a regular basis and our credit card takes a hammering….and it rains !!!

You will not regret moving to Spain if you take the opportunity but if you have concerns why not rent for a month or so at different times of the year and see how you feel.

It’s daunting but one step at a time…there’s no rush, Spain and properties will still be here.

Thankyou x

RichT

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:22pm

RichT

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Joined: 13 Sep 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:22pm

I've lived here for 3 years, so nowhere near as long as Peter C and Mags44, but here are the pros & cons, based on my experience - although I thoroughly appreciate others will have different opinions...

Pros

Weather & Lifestyle - the frequently quoted stat about the Costa Calida is that we get 330 days per year of sunshine and, based on my experience, that's about right! For example, this weekend temperatures will increase to mid-20s, whereas my friends in Cheshire will have 13'. It's generally, 20-30' from April to June, then 30 - 42' in July & August, 30' back down to 20' in September & October - and then November to March is commonly 14-16' and bright & sunny in the daytime, but it does get cold (damn those clear skies!) at night - down to 2' this winter. I've seen snow here once, 4 years ago. The weather is not all about sunbathing though - it massively extends the days that you can play golf, swim, walk, cycle, socialise outside, compared to the UK; and there is definitely a feeling that sunshine makes you feel happier - certainly for me compared to waking up in the dark or to grey skies & rain! Your experience can be considerably different depending on where you choose to live - an urbanisation (such as Camposol) may contain mainly British expat retirees. A property on a golf course will generally be more expensive and will need a car to get to towns, major shops, restaurants & bars, etc. A property in the country can be good value, but you will be further away from amenities and some (like mine) don't have mains water or sewage - our water is delivered by tanker and we have a septic tank. Living in or near a small town for many people seems to strike the best balance - some expats, some spanish - e.g. Mazarron and the areas along the Mar Menor.

Costs - Purchasing a property is more expensive than in the UK - you need to allow an extra 12-13% on top of the purchase price (mainly as there is a property purchase tax of 8% - much higher than Stamp Duty in the UK). However, in general, you get more for your money - obviously depending on your budget. How many people in the UK do you know who live in a house worth, say, £160k and have a swimming pool in their garden? Council Tax (IBI) is significantly lower and I calculated that I would recover my extra purchase costs within 10 years, solely based on the lower council tax. As other posters have said, food in supermarkets is similar to the UK and certain items can be more expensive. However, beer, wine and other alcohol is a lot cheaper. Eating out and drinks in bars are cheaper than the UK. Insurances, fuel for cars and energy costs are similar - however, overall you spend less on energy as you need heating in your property a lot less. 

Cons

Weather & Lifestyle - It does get very hot in July & August, but with aircon, a pool and cold drinks, it's very manageable (IMHO). There is a 'Spanish' approach to the pace of work and bureaucracy, which is initially frustrating, but you just need to accept it. If you try and speak Spanish, most locals are very appreciative and helpful - and, after all, it's their country! How many staff in the UK in bars, restaurants, doctors, etc. could speak Spanish if a Spaniard moved there? The most common reason I hear for people not wanting to move permanently to Spain is being away from friends & family - children & grandchildren in particular. In my view, it's likely that by the time you come to move here you've 'done your bit'; you are only a 3 hour flight away and there is WhatsApp, Zoom, Teams, etc. Plus, you may not be surprised at how popular you become with family & friends when you live in a villa in Spain with a private swimming pool!

Costs - Used cars are more expensive and there is less choice. As per my original reply, you need private health insurance for the first year and then can opt to continue with that or pay €60 per person per month to join the Spanish health service (this increases significantly when you're 65, but when you get your state pension it is then free). You should always seek specialist advice re- tax, however, unless you have a large income the main difference is that the personal tax free allowance in Spain is less than half of the UK, so you pay a similar tax rate, but on more of your income. For most people, this may be around £2,000 pa more than the UK (remember, you pay tax on your pensions in the UK too). Unless you are relying on renting out your UK property for income, you need to sell it in the (Spanish) tax year before you move to Spain, otherwise you will be liable for Spanish Capital Gains Tax, which can be significant.

As I said, all this is only my opinion, but hopefully helps your thoughts...

Barbara50

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:29pm

Barbara50

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:29pm

Hi, Dawn.  All the comments you've received so far are valid, give brilliant advice and are definitely to be considered.  For what it's worth, I think it's imperative that you come over and rent in a few different places before thinking about whether full residency or non residency (we have non residency) will suit you.  Also, you probably think you know what type of property you want and where, but the reality can be very different.  We thought we'd want to (early) retire to Spain and emigrate from the UK, but have found we are very, very happy with a holiday home in Spain and a home in the UK.  The 90/180 day rule works just fine for us as - depending on where you buy - winters can be cold and summers extremely hot - we avoid both these periods.  Best of luck!
Dawn 22

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:10pm

Dawn 22

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Location: Camposol

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:10pm

RichT wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:22pm:

I've lived here for 3 years, so nowhere near as long as Peter C and Mags44, but here are the pros & cons, based on my experience - although I thoroughly appreciate others will have different opinions...

Pros

Weather & Lifestyle - the frequently quoted stat about the Costa Calida is that we get 330 days per year of sunshine and, based on my experience, that's about right! For example, this weekend temperatures will increase to mid-20s, whereas my friends in Cheshire will have 13'. It's generally, 20-30' from April to June, then 30 - 42' in July & August, 30' back down to 20' in September & October - and then November to March is commonly 14-16' and bright & sunny in the daytime, but it does get cold (damn those clear skies!) at night - down to 2' this winter. I've seen snow here once, 4 years ago. The weather is not all about sunbathing though - it massively extends the days that you can play golf, swim, walk, cycle, socialise outside, compared to the UK; and there is definitely a feeling that sunshine makes you feel happier - certainly for me compared to waking up in the dark or to grey skies & rain! Your experience can be considerably different depending on where you choose to live - an urbanisation (such as Camposol) may contain mainly British expat retirees. A property on a golf course will generally be more expensive and will need a car to get to towns, major shops, restaurants & bars, etc. A property in the country can be good value, but you will be further away from amenities and some (like mine) don't have mains water or sewage - our water is delivered by tanker and we have a septic tank. Living in or near a small town for many people seems to strike the best balance - some expats, some spanish - e.g. Mazarron and the areas along the Mar Menor.

Costs - Purchasing a property is more expensive than in the UK - you need to allow an extra 12-13% on top of the purchase price (mainly as there is a property purchase tax of 8% - much higher than Stamp Duty in the UK). However, in general, you get more for your money - obviously depending on your budget. How many people in the UK do you know who live in a house worth, say, £160k and have a swimming pool in their garden? Council Tax (IBI) is significantly lower and I calculated that I would recover my extra purchase costs within 10 years, solely based on the lower council tax. As other posters have said, food in supermarkets is similar to the UK and certain items can be more expensive. However, beer, wine and other alcohol is a lot cheaper. Eating out and drinks in bars are cheaper than the UK. Insurances, fuel for cars and energy costs are similar - however, overall you spend less on energy as you need heating in your property a lot less. 

Cons

Weather & Lifestyle - It does get very hot in July & August, but with aircon, a pool and cold drinks, it's very manageable (IMHO). There is a 'Spanish' approach to the pace of work and bureaucracy, which is initially frustrating, but you just need to accept it. If you try and speak Spanish, most locals are very appreciative and helpful - and, after all, it's their country! How many staff in the UK in bars, restaurants, doctors, etc. could speak Spanish if a Spaniard moved there? The most common reason I hear for people not wanting to move permanently to Spain is being away from friends & family - children & grandchildren in particular. In my view, it's likely that by the time you come to move here you've 'done your bit'; you are only a 3 hour flight away and there is WhatsApp, Zoom, Teams, etc. Plus, you may not be surprised at how popular you become with family & friends when you live in a villa in Spain with a private swimming pool!

Costs - Used cars are more expensive and there is less choice. As per my original reply, you need private health insurance for the first year and then can opt to continue with that or pay €60 per person per month to join the Spanish health service (this increases significantly when you're 65, but when you get your state pension it is then free). You should always seek specialist advice re- tax, however, unless you have a large income the main difference is that the personal tax free allowance in Spain is less than half of the UK, so you pay a similar tax rate, but on more of your income. For most people, this may be around £2,000 pa more than the UK (remember, you pay tax on your pensions in the UK too). Unless you are relying on renting out your UK property for income, you need to sell it in the (Spanish) tax year before you move to Spain, otherwise you will be liable for Spanish Capital Gains Tax, which can be significant.

As I said, all this is only my opinion, but hopefully helps your thoughts...

Tha you so much h. Tells me everything I wa Ted to know. Is your social life a lot more over in Spain and your way of life more relaxed. I love it. Just have to persuade hubby.

Dawn 22

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:13pm

Dawn 22

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Posts: 12

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Location: Camposol

Joined: 20 Feb 2022

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:13pm

Barbara50 wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:29pm:

Hi, Dawn.  All the comments you've received so far are valid, give brilliant advice and are definitely to be considered.  For what it's worth, I think it's imperative that you come over and rent in a few different places before thinking about whether full residency or non residency (we hav...

...e non residency) will suit you.  Also, you probably think you know what type of property you want and where, but the reality can be very different.  We thought we'd want to (early) retire to Spain and emigrate from the UK, but have found we are very, very happy with a holiday home in Spain and a home in the UK.  The 90/180 day rule works just fine for us as - depending on where you buy - winters can be cold and summers extremely hot - we avoid both these periods.  Best of luck!

Thanks. Food for thought.

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Stem

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:22pm

Posts: 46

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Location: Balsicas

Joined: 9 Dec 2022

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:22pm

When you reach 66 and are receiving your state pension , you mention that I would be able to use the health service for free there but my partner who is 50 would they still have to pay for private health insurance or would we both have to pay for private health care  for the first year 

RichT

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:54pm

RichT

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Location: Lorca

Joined: 13 Sep 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:54pm

Stem wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:22pm:

When you reach 66 and are receiving your state pension , you mention that I would be able to use the health service for free there but my partner who is 50 would they still have to pay for private health insurance or would we both have to pay for private health care  for the first year 

If you are in receipt of your state pension, then you can definitely apply for an S1 and use this instead of private healthcare as part of your NLV application.

Once you are here, your partner can 'piggy back' on your S1 and also receive free access to the Spanish healthcare system (as long as she's shown as your dependent on the S1). I don't know whether that also applies for the first year of the NLV, so the most you may have to pay is one year's private health cover for your partner.

This link is quite useful, but doesn't actually answer that exact point, so you should ask an immigration lawyer.

https://www.aplaceinthesun.com/articles/2022/06/how-retirees-in-spain-should-use-the-s1-to-save-on-private-healthcare

Stem

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:03pm

Posts: 46

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Location: Balsicas

Joined: 9 Dec 2022

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:03pm

RichT wrote on Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:54pm:

If you are in receipt of your state pension, then you can definitely apply for an S1 and use this instead of private healthcare as part of your NLV application.

Once you are here, your partner can 'piggy back' on your S1 and also receive free access to the Spanish healthcare system (as long as she's shown as your dependent on the S1). I don't know whether that also applies for the first year of the NLV, so the most you may have to pay is one year's priva...

...te health cover for your partner.

This link is quite useful, but doesn't actually answer that exact point, so you should ask an immigration lawyer.

https://www.aplaceinthesun.com/articles/2022/06/how-retirees-in-spain-should-use-the-s1-to-save-on-private-healthcare

Thank you , that is very helpful to know 

Deleted_user_143154

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:23am

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:23am

If the two of you aren't completely into it: don't. You shouldn't have to work hard to convince your partner to buy a property abroad or move there. Chances are one of you doesn't really like it or will never truly come to love it. Sooner or later you'll sell again and possibly lose quite a bit of money and end up disappointed while blaming eachother for the fact that it didn't work out as expected.

Dawn 22

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:13am

Dawn 22

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Posts: 12

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Location: Camposol

Joined: 20 Feb 2022

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:13am

Deleted_user_143154 wrote on Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:23am:

If the two of you aren't completely into it: don't. You shouldn't have to work hard to convince your partner to buy a property abroad or move there. Chances are one of you doesn't really like it or will never truly come to love it. Sooner or later you'll sell again and possibly lose quite a bit o...

...f money and end up disappointed while blaming eachother for the fact that it didn't work out as expected.

Thankyou. Wise advise.

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