Residency and the UK - Page 2

PhilTox wrote on Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:51am:

As the UK is no longer a member of the EU 3rd country rules now apply to immigration into an EU country. The rules haven't changed, just the UK's non-membership has changed which set of rules apply.

Scallywag wrote on Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:29am:

Same position here! Particularly concerned about the income required for second year of stay..... don’t know the rationale for the doubling of the income requirement (if I’ve understood correctly)

RichT wrote on Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:03pm:

I think you are mistaken in the 'doubling of the income requirement'. My understanding from the consulate website is:

Apply for a Non-Lucrative Visa (via the embassy or consulate in the UK). You need the following:

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1 Passport or travel document valid for at least 6 months beyond the intended arrival to Spain with at least two blank pages to affix the visa. 

2 One completely filled and signed National Visa Application Form. 

3 Ex-01 form and 079-052 fee form to be paid at the Consulate on the day of your appointment 

4 One recent passport colour photograph. (No more than six months old) 

5 For non-British citizens: A UK residence permit valid for at least 3 months. It can be either in form of Visa stamped on the applicant’s passport or a Residency Card. 

6 Medical (Health ) Certificate signed and stamped by a registered doctor. This Certificate must literally state that the Applicant does not suffer of any illness which represents a risk or a danger for the public according to the International Health Regulations of 2005. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. 

7 Certificate of Good Conduct issued by the country or countries where the applicant has resided in the past five years. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. 

8 Full health cover for applicant and, if applicable, family member. 

9 Means of maintenance in Spain in form of €27.115.20pa (approx. €2260 € per month) for the main applicant. Each additional family member will need €6.778.80 (approx. € 565 per month). 

10 All documents must be translated into Spanish 

11 A prepaid “Special Delivery” envelope, up to 500 grams.

The cost of the visa is approx. £504, plus a further £54 for the interview (non-refundable if visa not granted). These costs are per person.

This is valid for 1 year, then can be renewed for 2 years and then a further two years, then you can get permanent residency. At each renewal, you need to prove the same means of maintenance as shown above - but it's only per year, so no 'doubling', although it may increase with inflation, etc.

For 6 & 7, I've had quotes of £45 per document for the 'Sworn Translator' and £25 each for the 'Hague Apostille' (this needs to be completed by an approriate notary in the UK. So, in total, this will cost around £1,400 for a couple - and then the same again at the end of Year 1 and Year 3.

Hope this helps!

RichT wrote on Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:03pm:

I think you are mistaken in the 'doubling of the income requirement'. My understanding from the consulate website is:

Apply for a Non-Lucrative Visa (via the embassy or consulate in the UK). You need the following:

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1 Passport or travel document valid for at least 6 months beyond the intended arrival to Spain with at least two blank pages to affix the visa. 

2 One completely filled and signed National Visa Application Form. 

3 Ex-01 form and 079-052 fee form to be paid at the Consulate on the day of your appointment 

4 One recent passport colour photograph. (No more than six months old) 

5 For non-British citizens: A UK residence permit valid for at least 3 months. It can be either in form of Visa stamped on the applicant’s passport or a Residency Card. 

6 Medical (Health ) Certificate signed and stamped by a registered doctor. This Certificate must literally state that the Applicant does not suffer of any illness which represents a risk or a danger for the public according to the International Health Regulations of 2005. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. 

7 Certificate of Good Conduct issued by the country or countries where the applicant has resided in the past five years. The document must be translated by a Sworn Translator only, and with the Hague Apostille if the country is a member. Otherwise the document must be verified by the Spanish authorities in the country of issuance. 

8 Full health cover for applicant and, if applicable, family member. 

9 Means of maintenance in Spain in form of €27.115.20pa (approx. €2260 € per month) for the main applicant. Each additional family member will need €6.778.80 (approx. € 565 per month). 

10 All documents must be translated into Spanish 

11 A prepaid “Special Delivery” envelope, up to 500 grams.

The cost of the visa is approx. £504, plus a further £54 for the interview (non-refundable if visa not granted). These costs are per person.

This is valid for 1 year, then can be renewed for 2 years and then a further two years, then you can get permanent residency. At each renewal, you need to prove the same means of maintenance as shown above - but it's only per year, so no 'doubling', although it may increase with inflation, etc.

For 6 & 7, I've had quotes of £45 per document for the 'Sworn Translator' and £25 each for the 'Hague Apostille' (this needs to be completed by an approriate notary in the UK. So, in total, this will cost around £1,400 for a couple - and then the same again at the end of Year 1 and Year 3.

Hope this helps!

Rick7591 wrote on Mon Mar 1, 2021 1:43am:

Having watched the place in the sun webinar, all four people made it clear that when you apply for the second and third year of residency you must have the funds for the two years and the same again for the fourth and fifth, so it would be approximately €68000 not €34000 that’s just for the...

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... first year.

They are saying though that the Spanish may consider, only may consider using the collateral of your property to meet the figure needed

Scallywag wrote on Mon Mar 1, 2021 10:11am:

Thank you. I have since watched another video which explains the rationale - relates to the first visa being for one year and subsequent ones for 2 years. So that makes sense. What I’m not 100% clear about is whether this must be demonstrated as income or whether money in the bank/ savings woul...

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...d suffice. I’ve seen slightly different opinions on this. 

Rick7591 wrote on Mon Mar 1, 2021 10:25am:

Hi, money in the bank is 100% acceptable, earnings won’t be accepted because in theory you will be moving to Spain under a non working visa.

As I said in my earlier post, they made mention that it is possible that going forward you maybe allowed to use the value of your property to achieve the money required....

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I don’t think that will happen, as you are supposed to be proving your ability to live out there on savings or pensions.

Who knows with the Spanish, I am awaiting the outcome as we are looking to retire in 2023 and Spain is top of our list..

RichT wrote on Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:41am:

I believe that 'earnings' can include income from, for example, a property in the UK or Spain for which you receive rental income, so that may help. However, as Rick 7591 states correctly, the visa is not for people who will be working in the traditional sense.

Clearly, the income requirement has been set to minimise the risk of people moving to Spain who then become a cost to the government / economy (although I have no idea what the rules would be about claiming benefits, etc.) which is reasonable. I'm sure we all know people in the UK who complain ab...

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...out people moving to the UK, using the NHS and claiming benefits, etc.!

There are two anomalies though:

There doesn't seem to be any steer as to whether the approx. €32,000 per year for a couple is gross (i.e. before tax) or net. I am assuming it's gross (as this is beneficial), but unless they are living solely from savings, any income from pensions and/or rental income as mentioned above would be taxable and would, therefore, reduce their net disposable income.There appears to be no consideration for outgoings (or lack of). For example, a couple with the required €33,000pa income would qualify for the visa / residency, but could have rent or a mortgage to pay; whereas a couple with an income of, say €24,000, but own their property outright, with nil rent or mortgage to pay, could have more disposable income, but not qualify - which feels wrong to me...