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NLV - being out of Spain for 1 year in the 5 year NLV period

Posted: Wed Aug 2, 2023 7:22pm
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Hi.  I've searched both the internet and this website to try and find an answer regarding the NLV.  I understand it works on a 1 + 2 + 2 = 5 year process and understand that you cannot be out of Spain for more than 1 year in total during the 5 year NLV period.  If you exceed the 1 year period - for example in year 3 - would you have to go right back to the beginning and start the 5 years all over again (assuming your NLV application got accepted for the second time) or do you just go back to the start of that specific period (so in this case year 2 as you would have already 'banked' the initial 1st year period).  We are by no means planning to exceed the 1 year allowed over the 5 years, but have to consider what would happen if we were unexpectedly called back to the UK for a longer period of time than the 1 year.  Hoping this makes sense!!

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Posted: Thu Aug 3, 2023 3:08pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 3, 2023 3:08pm

You are correct on the 1 + 2 + 2 = 5. Then you can apply for permanent residency.

However, in the five years of the NLV, you can only be outside Spain for a maximum of 10 months (not 1 year, as you have stated) - and the maximum time in any one absence is 6 months. The aim behind this is that you should want to reside in Spain and also, if you were outside Spain for more than 6 consecutive months, you would cease being a tax resident for that tax year. Incidentally, I have seen solicitors touting the NLV as a way around the 90 in 180 rule, but they forget to mention the 10 months in 5 years rule, so people attempting this as a way of avoiding the 90 in 180 rule should get caught out.

Although I can't see clearly an example of what happens if you did break the 'absence from Spain' rules part way through the 5 years; it implies that your temporary residence would end and you would have to start from Year 0 again. If you entered Spain illegally or overstayed in Spain, these can be reasons to refuse an NLV but being outside for too long isn't shown as a reason to refuse a future application. If at the end of year 5 you were found to have spent more than 10 months outside Spain, there is provision for an “extraordinary renewal of the residence permit”, which would give you a further two years of temporary residency to try to reduce the average time spent outside Spain to a maximum of 2 months per year (so after 7 years, a maximum of 14 months).

The other question is = How will they know how long I have been outside Spain? The new ETIAS visa system will start in 2024 which will enable all EU countries to track the comings & goings of non-EU visitors far more easily, so I would expect that would 'catch' residents too.

Hope this helps!

Barbara50

Posted: Thu Aug 3, 2023 7:23pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 3, 2023 7:23pm

RichT wrote on Thu Aug 3, 2023 3:08pm:

You are correct on the 1 + 2 + 2 = 5. Then you can apply for permanent residency.

However, in the five years of the NLV, you can only be outside Spain for a maximum of 10 months (not 1 year, as you have stated) - and the maximum time in any one absence is 6 months. The aim behind this is that you should want to reside in Spain and also, if you were outside Spain for more than ...

...6 consecutive months, you would cease being a tax resident for that tax year. Incidentally, I have seen solicitors touting the NLV as a way around the 90 in 180 rule, but they forget to mention the 10 months in 5 years rule, so people attempting this as a way of avoiding the 90 in 180 rule should get caught out.

Although I can't see clearly an example of what happens if you did break the 'absence from Spain' rules part way through the 5 years; it implies that your temporary residence would end and you would have to start from Year 0 again. If you entered Spain illegally or overstayed in Spain, these can be reasons to refuse an NLV but being outside for too long isn't shown as a reason to refuse a future application. If at the end of year 5 you were found to have spent more than 10 months outside Spain, there is provision for an “extraordinary renewal of the residence permit”, which would give you a further two years of temporary residency to try to reduce the average time spent outside Spain to a maximum of 2 months per year (so after 7 years, a maximum of 14 months).

The other question is = How will they know how long I have been outside Spain? The new ETIAS visa system will start in 2024 which will enable all EU countries to track the comings & goings of non-EU visitors far more easily, so I would expect that would 'catch' residents too.

Hope this helps!

Hi, Rich, perfect!  It's about what I thought, but with more clarification and depth.  We are just concerned that unforseen circumstances could impact that '10 month' rule - we have no intention of being out of Spain much at all!  Once again, thank you :) 

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