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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:04pm
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charfar01

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Hi All,

Hope you are well. We're selling our property on Camposol and I would appreciate some advice.

Our solicitor has advised us that should we be successful an amount (yet to be announced by our solicitor) will be retained. We know that this is to cover any unpaid bills such as outstanding rates (IBI), iberdrola bills, aqualia bills etc. We fully accept that this is necessary. Our solicitor tells us that it should be settled within 8 or 9 months of sale and any balance will be forwarded on to us.

However, we have been advised by two friends, both of whom have sold properties, that this is a big scam and we shouldn't expect to receive any of the "retention" money. They both reckon that solicitors take around twice what they know will be needed to cover any outstanding debts and simply pocket the difference. Both these friends are still trying to get monies owed more that 18 months after selling.

Can anyone tell us if this is true and can anyone advise us how best to proceed so that we can protect ourselves from being ripped off.

Regards

Mags44

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:02pm

Mags44

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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:02pm

charfar01 wrote on Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:04pm:

Hi All,

Hope you are well. We're selling our property on Camposol and I would appreciate some advice.

Our solicitor has advised us that should we be successful an amount (yet to be announced by our solicitor) will be retained. We know that this is to cover any unpaid bills such as outstanding rates (IBI), iberdrola bills, aqualia bills etc. We fully accept that this is necessary. Our solicitor tells us that it should be settled within 8 or 9 months of sale and any balance will be forwarded on to us.

However, we have been advised by two friends, both of whom have sold properties, that this is a big scam and we shouldn't expect to receive any of the "retention" money. They both reckon that solicitors take around twice what they know will be needed to cover any outstanding debts and simply pocket the difference. Both these friends are still trying to get monies owed more that 18 months after selling.

Can anyone tell us if this is true and can anyone advise us how best to proceed so that we can protect ourselves from being ripped off.

Regards

At the point of sale, your solicitor, in conjunction with the buyer's solicitor, should have calculated a rough amount to cover any outstanding bills, etc, and made a retention of this before the sale money is handed over to the vendor. This is usually a small amount to cover the electric/water/IBI etc., that would still be considered as your own costs. The Notary, however, will retain 3% of the sale amount to cover any Capital Gains tax, which is a totally separate thing. Your solicitor should refund you any of the outstanding monies which were retained to cover outstanding bills etc., along with a proper breakdown with receipts for each sum, once all the outstanding bills, etc. have been paid. Some or all of the 3% retention for Capital Gains tax could be repaid to you, as long as the amount retained is a higher amount than the increase of capital gains that the property may have accrued over the years. This is usually done by comparing the price of the property when you bought it (assuming that the amount shown on the escritura was the amount that was actually paid for the property and that no black money was involved) and the price that is now being shown on the escritura for the sale of the property, also taking into consideration the amount of years that you have owned the property. The Capital Gains tax rate is between 19% and 24% depending on the sales price, so you should be able to roughly work out whether it's best to just say goodbye to the 3% or wait to see whether you would actually owe the tax-man even more than the 3% amount!! You don't mention whether you are a Spanish resident or not or whether the property that you are selling is your primary residence or a holiday home. If you are a Spanish resident and selling the property to buy another property in Spain, then there is no requirement for the Notary to retain 3%, as long as you buy another property within 24 months. The above would apply to non-resident property owners or Spanish resident property owners selling up to return to their own country. In order to be able to claim back any overpaid Capital Gains tax, a qualified tax agent will be able to advise you and you can authorise him/her to make a claim on your behalf for a refund of the overpaid tax. It won't just be returned to you! I would recommend that you find such a person before you leave and not just rely on your solicitor, who doesn't seem to have explained the situation to you very well in the first place and probably isn't qualified in tax matters either, as this is a specialised field.

charfar01

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:59am

charfar01

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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:59am

Mags44 wrote on Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:02pm:

At the point of sale, your solicitor, in conjunction with the buyer's solicitor, should have calculated a rough amount to cover any outstanding bills, etc, and made a retention of this before the sale money is handed over to the vendor. This is usually a small amount to cover the electric/water/I...

...BI etc., that would still be considered as your own costs. The Notary, however, will retain 3% of the sale amount to cover any Capital Gains tax, which is a totally separate thing. Your solicitor should refund you any of the outstanding monies which were retained to cover outstanding bills etc., along with a proper breakdown with receipts for each sum, once all the outstanding bills, etc. have been paid. Some or all of the 3% retention for Capital Gains tax could be repaid to you, as long as the amount retained is a higher amount than the increase of capital gains that the property may have accrued over the years. This is usually done by comparing the price of the property when you bought it (assuming that the amount shown on the escritura was the amount that was actually paid for the property and that no black money was involved) and the price that is now being shown on the escritura for the sale of the property, also taking into consideration the amount of years that you have owned the property. The Capital Gains tax rate is between 19% and 24% depending on the sales price, so you should be able to roughly work out whether it's best to just say goodbye to the 3% or wait to see whether you would actually owe the tax-man even more than the 3% amount!! You don't mention whether you are a Spanish resident or not or whether the property that you are selling is your primary residence or a holiday home. If you are a Spanish resident and selling the property to buy another property in Spain, then there is no requirement for the Notary to retain 3%, as long as you buy another property within 24 months. The above would apply to non-resident property owners or Spanish resident property owners selling up to return to their own country. In order to be able to claim back any overpaid Capital Gains tax, a qualified tax agent will be able to advise you and you can authorise him/her to make a claim on your behalf for a refund of the overpaid tax. It won't just be returned to you! I would recommend that you find such a person before you leave and not just rely on your solicitor, who doesn't seem to have explained the situation to you very well in the first place and probably isn't qualified in tax matters either, as this is a specialised field.

Thanks Mags44, your reply was most interesting. We are not residents and use our home as a holiday home and unfortunately we won't be purchasing another property. Our solicitor did explain briefly the capital gains aspect but not many of the other points you mentioned. We have certainly not been given any form of calculations to show what the "retention" might be.

Now that we have more info we will be asking for the breakdown you referred to.

Thanks again

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Roland

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:44am

Roland

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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:44am

@charfar01

There is an interesting thread running here that might be of interest to you.

How can we check if the Land Registry has already issued the Escritura for our property ?

tintin

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:34pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:34pm

charfar01 wrote on Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:04pm:

Hi All,

Hope you are well. We're selling our property on Camposol and I would appreciate some advice.

Our solicitor has advised us that should we be successful an amount (yet to be announced by our solicitor) will be retained. We know that this is to cover any unpaid bills such as outstanding rates (IBI), iberdrola bills, aqualia bills etc. We fully accept that this is necessary. Our solicitor tells us that it should be settled within 8 or 9 months of sale and any balance will be forwarded on to us.

However, we have been advised by two friends, both of whom have sold properties, that this is a big scam and we shouldn't expect to receive any of the "retention" money. They both reckon that solicitors take around twice what they know will be needed to cover any outstanding debts and simply pocket the difference. Both these friends are still trying to get monies owed more that 18 months after selling.

Can anyone tell us if this is true and can anyone advise us how best to proceed so that we can protect ourselves from being ripped off.

Regards

I sold my villa on Camposol in May of this year, 2022 and used costa calida property services on camposol, was given a detailed breakdown of deductions, the 3% retained has just this week been paid and now just awaiting receipts for water and electric bills that were paid. excellent service from start to finish

Lydia1953

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:40pm

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:40pm

tintin wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:34pm:

I sold my villa on Camposol in May of this year, 2022 and used costa calida property services on camposol, was given a detailed breakdown of deductions, the 3% retained has just this week been paid and now just awaiting receipts for water and electric bills that were paid. excellent service from ...

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