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Which parts of D sector should we avoid?

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:29am
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Bugsy

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Hi folks,

I've done a lot of reading on this forum so first of all thank you for all the wonderful and detailed information you all share here. It's of great value for potential new Camposol residents.

We are looking for current info about which parts of D Sector we should avoid when puchasing a property there. Somewhere else on this forum I read we should avoid D23 because these houses would be "illegal". We also read we should avoid D6-D9 and D15-D20 because these parts were built on public land and additional drainage pips have to be installed underneath these parts in the future (to solve possible risk of flooding) which might houses have to be demolished to make that happen. And lastly we are wondering which parts exactly are in the flood range of the old river bed.

Does anybody have any current info about these things. Because of all the info I found on this forum is still correct and current that would mean we would avoid buying ar property as those parts of D Sector.

Any info that could help is much appreciated.

LeginSenoj

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:25am

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:25am

Properties on  parts of D sector were built on the Rambla de Los Aznares. This is designated as land that cannot be built on. There is a secondary area each side of this area that has restrictions. Houses are bought and sold in these areas all the time. There have been discussions going on for more than a decade about rerouting the Rambla, so that the properties can be legalised and owners obtain the appropriate documentation. There are currently no agreed plans for the rerouting. 

One of the main current issues is that banks are known to have refused mortgages on properties built on the Rambla. This may not affect you if you are a cash buyer, but if you come to sell, your buyer will likely also need to be a cash buyer.

A couple of things you can do in preparation.

Firstly, email [email protected] (the local residents association) and ask them for copies of the maps they have, showing the affected areas and properties.

Next, if you find a property that you like, ask the agent to provide a response “in writing” to the question of whether the property in built in the area affected by the Rambla.

Next, if you find a property you are going to proceed on, ask your independent lawyer the same specific question. It seems that unlike the UK, where lawyers have a  general obligation to notify you of any issues involving your property, the same is not the case here. You need to ask the specific question for them to answer. 

Finally, if you want to test the water, ask a Spanish bank for a mortgage on the property and see what they say.

One of the biggest complaints that you read on Camposol forums is that lawyers and agents didn’t tell them that their property was built on the Rambla and secondly that all properties on Camposol are in communities of owners (COO’s), even though few have been activated.

Having said all that, there are several thousands of residents who live here quite happily. 

One recommendation is to rent before you buy. Take some time to rent a property here and spend some time looking round the area and the facilities. If you are looking to move to traditional Spain, this is not it, however, if you are looking to move to an urbanisation, predominantly occupied by immigrants, where English is the predominant language and the facilities geared to that demographic, you may be at home here.

Good luck with your search and I hope this helps. There are people who have lived here much longer than me and who will be able to add valuable information.

MitchNorwich

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:51pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:51pm

Bugsy wrote on Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:29am:

Hi folks,

I've done a lot of reading on this forum so first of all thank you for all the wonderful and detailed information you all share here. It's of great value for potential new Camposol residents.

We are looking for current info about which parts of D Sector we should avoid when puchasing a property there. Somewhere else on this forum I read we should avoid D23 because these houses would be "illegal". We also read we should avoid D6-D9 and D15-D20 because these parts were built on public land and additional drainage pips have to be installed underneath these parts in the future (to solve possible risk of flooding) which might houses have to be demolished to make that happen. And lastly we are wondering which parts exactly are in the flood range of the old river bed.

Does anybody have any current info about these things. Because of all the info I found on this forum is still correct and current that would mean we would avoid buying ar property as those parts of D Sector.

Any info that could help is much appreciated.

Just a point - if I had all of those concerns I would have to think long and hard about whether or not it was a wise choice in the first place?

Bugsy

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:18pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:18pm

LeginSenoj wrote on Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:25am:

Properties on  parts of D sector were built on the Rambla de Los Aznares. This is designated as land that cannot be built on. There is a secondary area each side of this area that has restrictions. Houses are bought and sold in these areas all the time. There have been discussions going on f...

...or more than a decade about rerouting the Rambla, so that the properties can be legalised and owners obtain the appropriate documentation. There are currently no agreed plans for the rerouting. 

One of the main current issues is that banks are known to have refused mortgages on properties built on the Rambla. This may not affect you if you are a cash buyer, but if you come to sell, your buyer will likely also need to be a cash buyer.

A couple of things you can do in preparation.

Firstly, email [email protected] (the local residents association) and ask them for copies of the maps they have, showing the affected areas and properties.

Next, if you find a property that you like, ask the agent to provide a response “in writing” to the question of whether the property in built in the area affected by the Rambla.

Next, if you find a property you are going to proceed on, ask your independent lawyer the same specific question. It seems that unlike the UK, where lawyers have a  general obligation to notify you of any issues involving your property, the same is not the case here. You need to ask the specific question for them to answer. 

Finally, if you want to test the water, ask a Spanish bank for a mortgage on the property and see what they say.

One of the biggest complaints that you read on Camposol forums is that lawyers and agents didn’t tell them that their property was built on the Rambla and secondly that all properties on Camposol are in communities of owners (COO’s), even though few have been activated.

Having said all that, there are several thousands of residents who live here quite happily. 

One recommendation is to rent before you buy. Take some time to rent a property here and spend some time looking round the area and the facilities. If you are looking to move to traditional Spain, this is not it, however, if you are looking to move to an urbanisation, predominantly occupied by immigrants, where English is the predominant language and the facilities geared to that demographic, you may be at home here.

Good luck with your search and I hope this helps. There are people who have lived here much longer than me and who will be able to add valuable information.

Thanks a bunch. Very helpful and usefull info. Much appreciated!!

Bugsy

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:23pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:23pm

MitchNorwich wrote on Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:51pm:

Just a point - if I had all of those concerns I would have to think long and hard about whether or not it was a wise choice in the first place?

Maybe, maybe not. What we do know is that we won't buy a property within the flood zone. The information I've found on this forum is mainly from 2018. Of course it's possible this info is outdated somewhat. Blocks of houses which were "illegal" in 2018 don't have to have the same status today so they could be fine now. I just want to get a clear picture of where at D sector it is wise and safe to buy (and invest a large chunk of our hard earned money). We intend to move to Camposol permanently so we're not buying a holiday home. So it's pretty imported we make the right choice haha. But I do get the point you're making.

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:52pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:52pm

if you have any concerns about sector D then dont buy there at all. Plenty of other places. Also look outside Camposol

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:41am

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:41am

@Bugsy

The problems on certain parts of D are not in as you put it 'flood zones' but due to properties being built on a filled in rambala ( watercourse ).

These properties are now suffering from serious subsidence not particularly flooding.

There is a huge amount of info on the internet about this well documented problem.

Use a search term of ' rambala sector d camposol ' in Google & follow all the links up.

Bugsy

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:52pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:52pm

Roland wrote on Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:41am:

@Bugsy

The problems on certain parts of D are not in as you put it 'flood zones' but due to properties being built on a filled in rambala ( watercourse ).

These properties are now suffering from serious subsidence not particularly flooding.

There is a huge amount of info on the internet about this well documented problem.

Use a search term of ' rambala sector d camposol ' in Google & follow all the links up.

So I did a google search and did find some info about the watercourse and the plans for doing digging work to put new pipework into the ground to prevent future flooding. What I could not exactly find is how all of this will affect the future of D26. We have our eyes on a property there and are now wondering if we should pursue it. So any info/advice about the risks of buying at D26 would be appreciated.

https://spanishnewstoday.com/definitive-conclusions-of-the-report-by-the-regional-assembly-of-murcia-on-camposol._490182-a.html?

https://murciatoday.com/provisional-agreement-to-divert-rambla-on-camposol_316705-a.html

LeginSenoj

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:26pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:26pm

Bugsy wrote on Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:52pm:

So I did a google search and did find some info about the watercourse and the plans for doing digging work to put new pipework into the ground to prevent future flooding. What I could not exactly find is how all of this will affect the future of D26. We have our eyes on a property there and are n...

Did you managed to get the plans from the CRA that I suggested you ask for? If you have, you will see which parts of D26 are affected, if not, asking for them will be the easiest way of seeing which houses are affected. D26 is quite a large sector, so without knowing where the house is that you are looking at, no one can really help you.

Hope this helps

Bugsy

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:34pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:34pm

LeginSenoj wrote on Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:26pm:

Did you managed to get the plans from the CRA that I suggested you ask for? If you have, you will see which parts of D26 are affected, if not, asking for them will be the easiest way of seeing which houses are affected. D26 is quite a large sector, so without knowing where the house is that ...

...you are looking at, no one can really help you.

Hope this helps

No have not done that yet but will do. Thanks for the suggestion.

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