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Mike211

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16am

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16am

JamesP wrote on Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:40am:

My wife and I got the letters raising our state pension age 65 to 67 and 60 to 67 around 1996. Obviously well before Brexit.

When the UK was part of the EC, before Brexit, people retiring or retired in an EU country did not have to worry that their pensions COULD be frozen. It simply was not an issue if you retired to an EU country. ...

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The very fact that the UK is the worst economic performing major European economy is Brexit related. It made the current downturn much worse.

I don't complain about the UK and blame Brexit as you state. I am more than willing to listen to any person who can show Brexit was worthwhile, for anyone. Frankly I can't see a single tangible area improved by our leaving the EU. It amazed me how many people voted for it, even some expats!

Honestly, I'm not trying to be inflammatory. I appreciate how much an emotive issue Brexit became. I simply would like a supporter of Brexit to outline the positives, the actual quantitative positives their win brought them.

I can list what we lost after Brexit quite easily. I can't see a single gain.

Just to be clear, this issue, that of annual pension increases, as per the original poster, is indeed very very Brexit related. The increase was once set in stone as part and parcel of our then EU membership. Now its up in the air, yet another kick in the teeth to the UK population irrespective of how they voted.

The pension triple lock was brought in in 2010 by the Conservative/Liberal coalition government.

There have for a long time been rules around payment of pension to people living overseas which include non payment of increases in UK pension to people living in countries that don't have agreements with the UK. It is clear that EEA countries do have an agreement with the UK.

Nothing to do with Brexit. Again. 

Chicojohn1

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:38am

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:38am

Thankyou for some of the replies my post was about my wife and would she get pension rises,Not to get a load of crap about government,Brexit or opinions ,please advise for question only 

crissywissy

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:53am

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:53am

yes we do

JamesP

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:03am

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:03am

Mike211 wrote on Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16am:

The pension triple lock was brought in in 2010 by the Conservative/Liberal coalition government.

There have for a long time been rules around payment of pension to people living overseas which include non payment of increases in UK pension to people living in countries that don't have agreements with the UK. It is clear that EEA countries do have an agreement with the UK....

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Nothing to do with Brexit. Again. 

We left the EEA. The UK government is now free to change the rules......that's the point. 

birchyboy

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:13pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:13pm

Chicojohn1 wrote on Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:38am:

Thankyou for some of the replies my post was about my wife and would she get pension rises,Not to get a load of crap about government,Brexit or opinions ,please advise for question only 

Good point.

My apologies.  I have now deleted my post.

P.

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GerryT

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:20pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:20pm

PeterC wrote on Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:33pm:

There is now talk of raising the pension age to 68...

As for people fleeing back to the UK if increases are stopped you have to allow for the much worse inflation in the UK compared to Spain?

Best thing is just ignore it all - it has been worse than this before, and could be bad again if Labour are voted in.

You've obviously been asleep for the last 13 years if you think Labour could be any worse than this excuse for a Government.

GerryT

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:23pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:23pm

Mike211 wrote on Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:07pm:

State Pension rules change has nothing to do with Brexit.

The changes were made in 2016 which are gradually increases the state retirement age. Women are aligned with men due to the Equalities Act 2010 on the basis of gender and age discrimination.

The UK was in serious financial difficulties due to the Blair / Brown policies of open borders and the financial crisis of 2007/8 which is still biting with a 10 million population increase in recent years along with cheap money and massive increases in house prices.

Meanwhile expats complain about the UK and blame Brexit.  

Brexit economically is a disaster for the UK, that's fact,not opinion. 

Mike211

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:52pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:52pm

GerryT wrote on Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:23pm:

Brexit economically is a disaster for the UK, that's fact,not opinion. 

No it is clearly your opinion.

If you want to discuss Brexit, why not start a new thread?

See the Gov.uk for details about pensions paid overseas, and agreements with other countries.

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad/rates-of-state-pension

JamesP

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:33pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:33pm

The United Kingdom (UK) was a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) from 1 January 1994 to 31 December 2020, following the coming into force of the 1992 EEA Agreement (as adjusted by a 1993 protocol). Membership of the EEA is a consequence of membership of the European Union (EU).

In the current economic climate further pension increases may be removed at will. Thank the Brexit bunch.

JamesP

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:37pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:37pm

Mike211 wrote on Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:52pm:

No it is clearly your opinion.

If you want to discuss Brexit, why not start a new thread?

See the Gov.uk for details about pensions paid overseas, and agreements with other countries.

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad/rates-of-state-pension

Brexit is over, the question at hand, that of ongoing pension increases is just one of hundreds of negative consequences. It would be nice if someone came forward and balanced this with some positive consequences. I doubt opening another thread will bring such people forward. All but the most deluded are keeping a low profile.

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