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Paul and Melinda

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:13pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:13pm

PeterC wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:40pm:

I am neither single nor mysogynistic - if it had been say a group of male golfers or football fans I would equally have described them as "stupid blokes". I am sick to death of the woke brigade who take offence at any accurate description of people. Many years ago I came across this when working ...

...in a civil service office - a visitor emerged from the lift on the floor where I worked, and asked if anyone could direct him to Mr X, who he had been told worked there. I knew the chap and simply said he could be found two work bays down, him sitting next to the black guy. Two idiots in my unit jumped and said I could not say that. Said black guy was the only non-white person in the department, and with me not knowing what shirt he had on that day used the most obvious identifying feature. Things have got worse since.

It’s not illegal to be misogynistic. You can be what you want, like or dislike anyone based on any characteristic, if your co-worker was bald you could say he’s 2 bays down behind the baldy guy, or the ginger guy or the fat woman. Who cares, I don’t like pikeys, what does that make me , very wise probably. 

Ali52

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:13pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:13pm

Paul and Melinda wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23pm:

The uk government web site published on March 19th that they had downgraded sars-COV-2  COVID 19 and it was no longer a High Consequence Infectious Disease because of the low death rate. They said The initial status was being downgraded in the light of evidence showing it to be a mild respir...

...atory disease. 
The inventor of the PCR test is Kary Mullis, he stated that the test is not intended for the detection of viruses and is unreliable when used that way. 

The USA Centre for Disease Control (CDC) 2 weeks ago stated that 94% of the positive tests should have been negative because the positive status was achieved by too many amplification cycles of the original swabs.

If you have a problem with the information it’s because it triggers cognitive dissonance.

Dr Fauci said months ago that no one should be wearing a face mask, they are totally ineffective for the control of viruses. 

Ok, Paul and Miranda, please state what your qualifications are, and where you get your information from. It is easy to try to dispute scientists. If your only information is from a few Google searches.

Kary Mullis   ( one of a few) who developed the polymerase chain reaction to try and isolate and identify HIV.  He had nothing to do with any tests for covid19 as he was already dead. This is not the test that is used in most of Europe.

Also, as I am sure you are aware, there is NO herd immunity from Coronavirus 19, as the antibodies only last for a few weeks. That is why the Oxford vaccine  is so positive . The fact that the UK Gov supposedly downgraded is not surprising.  I think Mr Johnson, or should I say Dominic  are not bothered about the elderly or vulnerable dieing.  I dont know any scientists who have downgraded it. 

Mr Grey Tiger, you say you have done extensive research. Please state what papers you have read, as I would like to study them too.

CFC1905

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:51pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:51pm

Sorry but I cannot accept or agree that any prime minister, or their equivalent, in any european country is going to deliberately put any of there citizens in danger 

Of course in any major situation, pandemic or whatever, the elderly and the young or anyone with an existing underlying issue are always most at risk

I am nowhere as informed as some of the posters but I will not accept that my prime minister is targeting me

Richard10

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:02pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:02pm

Richard10 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:50pm:

Evidence based in Covid corona 19 is a big and probably incorrect evidence . Covid 19 so at best or worst less than 9 months or so in existence..peer reviewed is great news but clearly it’s perhaps not a true understanding of a virus we have little or no real understanding of. 

Evidence based conclusions my arse. How can it be evidence based when 95% guesstimate... load of tosh don’t have any symptoms? But in Hancock we don’t trust.bit like I heard from Dave down the pub for his informed opinion based on FA because the last time we could compare this incubation was 1918 and to say records were sketchy At that time is an understatement....

Wife and I had two tests each lucky us collecting £50 each. We had bloods taken  back in the U.K..by a cardiologist no less on the 2nd Septemberwho visited our home. Advised by consultant massive BMW with her two kids in the back on the way to a newly opened restaurant close to us. results to your GP in two days we were advised. Well nothing and it’s now the 17th.

Ps had. Self test on the 18th July filled in all the online consults and returned the swabs as instructed but again...nothing 

I’m not Ill and everybody who is you have my total sympathy. However on a personal basis this ( the way it has been) dealt with is a shocker of a shocker..

Ali52

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48am

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48am

Yes, I do think that the way the UK has handled it, is shambolic. I think the fact that the testing is NOT run by the NHS, but a private firm that was awarded the contract, which is a subsidiary of group 4, and we all know the directors of that. However it does take time to get the results back, I think at the moment it is taking 2 to 3 weeks. Which is much too long  but they have a huge backlog. I believe the testing should be handed back to the NHS. With the money that was awarded to the company also. 

All research on covid19 is evidence based and peer group reviewed. That is how information from researchers has enabled companies to get a  potential vaccine  ready so quickly. Looks like trials will be taking place in Spain ( the Oxford vaccine ) India ( the Russian vaccine) The US, ( the Pfizer?). So cross everything and hope , one, or all are successful. 

The infection rates in Murcia continue to rise. We must try to keep it of Camposol. To many vulnerable people  here.

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CFC1905

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:09am

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:09am

I am of the opinion that the world had seen nothing like this magnitude before which is why everything is so uncoordinated 

Whether the virus was man made in China or whether WHO tried to cover it up is open to debate. However, every country took their own approach with the tools and expertise at hand to combat this the best they could 

For me, what with Brexit and Covid, Boris was dealt a real bad set of cards and all oppositions parties are rubbing their hands with glee that is was not them in charge whilst also allowing them to score brownie points where they could

I am not saying the UK has been perfect but I have preferred their approach to make individuals responsible and by and large that worked until the easing of restrictions when suddenly it appears that common sense has gone and many act as though the virus is beaten 

Pretty sure that a second lockdown is likely in many or most countries soon. Let's hope that the scientists manage to come up with a vaccine but even then we know many will refuse to take it leaving the door open for further spikes

Ali52

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:51pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:51pm

CFC1905 wrote on Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:09am:

I am of the opinion that the world had seen nothing like this magnitude before which is why everything is so uncoordinated 

Whether the virus was man made in China or whether WHO tried to cover it up is open to debate. However, every country took their own approach with the tools and expertise at hand to combat this the best they could ...

...

For me, what with Brexit and Covid, Boris was dealt a real bad set of cards and all oppositions parties are rubbing their hands with glee that is was not them in charge whilst also allowing them to score brownie points where they could

I am not saying the UK has been perfect but I have preferred their approach to make individuals responsible and by and large that worked until the easing of restrictions when suddenly it appears that common sense has gone and many act as though the virus is beaten 

Pretty sure that a second lockdown is likely in many or most countries soon. Let's hope that the scientists manage to come up with a vaccine but even then we know many will refuse to take it leaving the door open for further spikes

Unfortunately,  it seems people need to be reminded/ forced in to following correct procedures.  We know where the virus came from. It was due to the awful conditions the Chinese keep live animals  next to dead ones. They need to change. It is not surprising that we have had viruses coming from China. We know the connections. We need to stop....... I will not comment on what I think of the use of endangered species  to supposedly  help with impotence.  

As a planet we need to start appreciating  what we have, and to support  our fantastic wildlife.

CFC1905

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:56pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:56pm

I think we have to remember that many countries do not have the same rules in place for many situations that we consider normal

China has had these open animal markets for years so for them it is natural. In the UK we are seeing many illnesses re emerging from the influx of eastern europeans  that were virtually instinct until the last 10 years or so

This is an extremely complex situation that really needs a global co ordination but again that is unlikely to happen

Bit of a vicious circle really....

GrayTiger

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:25pm

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Joined: 11 May 2019

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:25pm

Ali52 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:13pm:

Ok, Paul and Miranda, please state what your qualifications are, and where you get your information from. It is easy to try to dispute scientists. If your only information is from a few Google searches.

Kary Mullis   ( one of a few) who developed the polymerase chain reaction to try and isolate and identify HIV.  He had nothing to do with any tests for covid19 as he was already dead. This is not the test that is used in most of Europe....

...

Also, as I am sure you are aware, there is NO herd immunity from Coronavirus 19, as the antibodies only last for a few weeks. That is why the Oxford vaccine  is so positive . The fact that the UK Gov supposedly downgraded is not surprising.  I think Mr Johnson, or should I say Dominic  are not bothered about the elderly or vulnerable dieing.  I dont know any scientists who have downgraded it. 

Mr Grey Tiger, you say you have done extensive research. Please state what papers you have read, as I would like to study them too.

Other than in your posting, I can't find any information anywhere (yet) that backs up or even mentions that Kary Mulliss "developed" PCR as a method of testing. Kary Mulliss INVENTED the technique/method. To suggest (or state) that " he had nothing to do with any tests for covid19" is akin to suggesting that Charles Babbage "had nothing to do with" the Apple Mac that I'm using to write this post - of course he did! Following your train of thought, would it be correct to suggest that Apple, or indeed, Steve Jobs "invented" this computer? I suggest "No". Apple "developed" a product that was already invented. 

I haven't written the above to be antagonistic and/or argumentative but to point out how the misuse of words can alter reality. If we practise changing facts by saying and writing errors then eventually people believe what is untrue! Politicians, scientists MSM and school teachers etc. are adept at this. To make an example, you have wrongly written "Paul & Miranda" whereas "Paul & Melinda" would have been correct. If I hadn't picked up on this error and written back quoting "Miranda" and this was seen and copied by several other people, eventually "Miranda" would be believed to be correct - which it isn't! Further "Mr Grey Tiger" is far removed from "GrayTiger". All this may seem incidental to you but it isn't "GrayTiger" has a point (a meaning) and a history behind it, Mr Grey Tiger is just something meaningless that you've made up and (perhaps) believe to be correct.

As for your question regarding my research - this started many years ago and will take a while to answer. I am now grilling chicken quarters to the barbecue and I need to keep an eye on them. I'm okay with coming back to this question later but are you really interested? I noticed on a Paul and Melinda post, relating to you, a mention of cognitive dissonance. Have you considered this and have you read about your roll-model Tadros in the link I sent?    

GrayTiger

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:52pm

Posts: 33

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:52pm

GrayTiger wrote on Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:25pm:

Other than in your posting, I can't find any information anywhere (yet) that backs up or even mentions that Kary Mulliss "developed" PCR as a method of testing. Kary Mulliss INVENTED the technique/method. To suggest (or state) that " he had nothing to do with any tests for covid19" is akin to sug...

...gesting that Charles Babbage "had nothing to do with" the Apple Mac that I'm using to write this post - of course he did! Following your train of thought, would it be correct to suggest that Apple, or indeed, Steve Jobs "invented" this computer? I suggest "No". Apple "developed" a product that was already invented. 

I haven't written the above to be antagonistic and/or argumentative but to point out how the misuse of words can alter reality. If we practise changing facts by saying and writing errors then eventually people believe what is untrue! Politicians, scientists MSM and school teachers etc. are adept at this. To make an example, you have wrongly written "Paul & Miranda" whereas "Paul & Melinda" would have been correct. If I hadn't picked up on this error and written back quoting "Miranda" and this was seen and copied by several other people, eventually "Miranda" would be believed to be correct - which it isn't! Further "Mr Grey Tiger" is far removed from "GrayTiger". All this may seem incidental to you but it isn't "GrayTiger" has a point (a meaning) and a history behind it, Mr Grey Tiger is just something meaningless that you've made up and (perhaps) believe to be correct.

As for your question regarding my research - this started many years ago and will take a while to answer. I am now grilling chicken quarters to the barbecue and I need to keep an eye on them. I'm okay with coming back to this question later but are you really interested? I noticed on a Paul and Melinda post, relating to you, a mention of cognitive dissonance. Have you considered this and have you read about your roll-model Tadros in the link I sent?    

Correction - ‘ sorry, role model not “roll” 😁

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