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GrayTiger

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:53am

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:53am

Paul and Melinda wrote on Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:39pm:

Cases do not equate to sick or dead people. The PCR test can not detect COVID 19, it just amplifies the genetic material they get from the throat or nose swab, it’s so minuscule they have to amplify it over and over again until they have enough to read the code. If it matches the one they used ...

...as a primer they say you are positive. It does not mean you are sick or will be sick or have been sick or are contagious. As corona viruses are endemic in human society everyone will have had many corona virus infections over their lives. You may test positive because you had a cold or flu or the flu vaccination. The survival rate from COVID 19 if you get it and you’re over 70 is 98.7% ( if you have another illness like diabetes) . for young people it’s 0.00%. You have to get into the millions before you can find a fatal case in a 20 year old. There is no such thing as an asymptomatic spreader. If you are infected and making and shedding virus particles then you will have the symptoms of a cold or flu. If you have no symptoms then you are not making or shedding virus particles. This virus has a lipid coating, basically a fat case. That’s why soap and water deactivates it. Soap disperses fat. Viruses are not alive. They can not reproduce, they are bits of genetic code that reprogram your cells to copy them until your immune system kills those cells and stops the process. Masks cannot stop a virus, they are millions of times smaller than gaps in the filter fibres. They go straight through. All the deaths in the uk attributed to COVID 19 can be explained via the reattribution of causes of death to COVID from the real causes. Matt Hancock said we lose 10,000 a month in uk care homes in normal times. We have 41k deaths to account for. In 4 months we lost 40k in care homes as we normally do. Plus the extra who didn’t get treated for heart attacks or strokes or bladder infections due to doctors refusing to visit care homes. The doctors were told to put all deaths down to COVID unless absolutely unavoidable such as squashed by a lorry. No post mortems a were performed. Sick people were diagnosed as COVID on symptoms such as fever, chills, sore throat, cough, aches and pains, headache. Colds and flu were not diagnosed, they were replaced by COVID. On March 19 uk government downgraded COVID 19 on their web site as no longer a HCID. High consequence infectious disease. Because of its low mortality rate, then instituted a lockdown and immediately excess deaths rocketed up. This post is totally factual. There’s no “ my friend had it and they were sick” if they weren’t tested then you must assume they had a cold, or flu or maybe COVID. Or some other corona or respiratory illness. All of which have survival rates in excess of 99% for 99% of the population. 
please don’t start shouting at me about this information. The above are facts, and facts don’t care about beliefs or feelings. 

Thank you for your posting. It's refreshing to see articulate & sensible comments based on reality amongst the barrage of fear-mongering, nonsense & false beliefs.

Roland

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:56am

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:56am

What is the source of that information please ??

GrayTiger

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:39am

Ali52 wrote on Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:19am:

Can not believe that a group of expats ( women) all went to a Chinese restaurant in the port and had a jolly time. No social distancing or masks. I hope when the police arrived they fined all of those women, as well as the restaurant.  If you are on Camposol ladies, please self quarantine fo...

...r 14 days. How very very selfish.

Good morning Everybody. I don't consider myself to be particularly ignorant and/or selfish and I realise that the question I'm about to ask may attract a great many insulting and hurtful comments. However, I feel a need to ask so that those who have made comments on this subject can enlighten and better educate me... I tend to think that the ten ladies sharing a table in the Chinese restaurant knew each other and had previously met. I can perhaps also be forgiven for assuming that they may meet up (or have met up) on at least a one-to-one basis since their meeting in the restaurant. Had their party been split equally (or otherwise) between two tables (either one, two or more metres apart) how would this have saved us all from contracting this alleged terrible plague? 

Grahame63

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:08am

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:08am

Paul and Melinda wrote on Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:39pm:

Cases do not equate to sick or dead people. The PCR test can not detect COVID 19, it just amplifies the genetic material they get from the throat or nose swab, it’s so minuscule they have to amplify it over and over again until they have enough to read the code. If it matches the one they used ...

...as a primer they say you are positive. It does not mean you are sick or will be sick or have been sick or are contagious. As corona viruses are endemic in human society everyone will have had many corona virus infections over their lives. You may test positive because you had a cold or flu or the flu vaccination. The survival rate from COVID 19 if you get it and you’re over 70 is 98.7% ( if you have another illness like diabetes) . for young people it’s 0.00%. You have to get into the millions before you can find a fatal case in a 20 year old. There is no such thing as an asymptomatic spreader. If you are infected and making and shedding virus particles then you will have the symptoms of a cold or flu. If you have no symptoms then you are not making or shedding virus particles. This virus has a lipid coating, basically a fat case. That’s why soap and water deactivates it. Soap disperses fat. Viruses are not alive. They can not reproduce, they are bits of genetic code that reprogram your cells to copy them until your immune system kills those cells and stops the process. Masks cannot stop a virus, they are millions of times smaller than gaps in the filter fibres. They go straight through. All the deaths in the uk attributed to COVID 19 can be explained via the reattribution of causes of death to COVID from the real causes. Matt Hancock said we lose 10,000 a month in uk care homes in normal times. We have 41k deaths to account for. In 4 months we lost 40k in care homes as we normally do. Plus the extra who didn’t get treated for heart attacks or strokes or bladder infections due to doctors refusing to visit care homes. The doctors were told to put all deaths down to COVID unless absolutely unavoidable such as squashed by a lorry. No post mortems a were performed. Sick people were diagnosed as COVID on symptoms such as fever, chills, sore throat, cough, aches and pains, headache. Colds and flu were not diagnosed, they were replaced by COVID. On March 19 uk government downgraded COVID 19 on their web site as no longer a HCID. High consequence infectious disease. Because of its low mortality rate, then instituted a lockdown and immediately excess deaths rocketed up. This post is totally factual. There’s no “ my friend had it and they were sick” if they weren’t tested then you must assume they had a cold, or flu or maybe COVID. Or some other corona or respiratory illness. All of which have survival rates in excess of 99% for 99% of the population. 
please don’t start shouting at me about this information. The above are facts, and facts don’t care about beliefs or feelings. 

Thank you for your measured, common sense post.

Hopefully, many more people will realise that the authorities are not telling the truth, but are intentionally panicking people and turning them against each other.

The poster who started this thread should read your post and realise that we should not point the finger at others, unless they know the facts.

Ali52

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39am

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39am

Grahame63 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:08am:

Thank you for your measured, common sense post.

Hopefully, many more people will realise that the authorities are not telling the truth, but are intentionally panicking people and turning them against each other.

The poster who started this thread should read your post and realise that we should not point the finger at others, unless they know the facts.

I am the OP. I reported on the  covid19 spike in Mazarron. It has since continued to be over 400 new cases per day. I asked people to be very careful, and stated that if it got on to Camposol it would be a disaster. Shortly afterwards the police published pictures of a group of women ( over 15) enjoying themselves. No masks, because they were eating and drinking, but NO social distancing. As the women concerned, then posted pictures of themselves on Facebook it was quickly learnt that they were from Camposol, from A,B C,and D. The restaurant was (according to police) crowded. So, all it would take is for 1 of those women to have picked up the virus, to be spreading it around Camposol. Restrictions are there for a reason. I do hope they are self isolating now.

As to Paul and Melinda's post. Yes  we know a virus is not 'alive' however it does contain DNA, to enable it to attach to a living host. That is how it is designed to survive.

You are able to infect others without showing symptoms. There is a 5 or 6 day period, when you are infectious, but do not know it. That is why there is a 14 day quarantine. source W.H.O. coronavirus  2020. 

Governments may not be telling the truth, just look at Mr Trump, and Mr Johnson, however Medics, scientists and the W.H.O. organisation are.

Why would you think Doctors would lie about the death rate?

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Ali52

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:42am

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:42am

Grahame63 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:08am:

Thank you for your measured, common sense post.

Hopefully, many more people will realise that the authorities are not telling the truth, but are intentionally panicking people and turning them against each other.

The poster who started this thread should read your post and realise that we should not point the finger at others, unless they know the facts.

Also, not a scientist, but an SRN, RMN, dip of Nursing. I can read and understand scientific papers, which is where I get my information from , oh and my friends, one of whom is a consultant physician in public health.

GrayTiger

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:29pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:29pm

Ali52 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39am:

I am the OP. I reported on the  covid19 spike in Mazarron. It has since continued to be over 400 new cases per day. I asked people to be very careful, and stated that if it got on to Camposol it would be a disaster. Shortly afterwards the police published pictures of a group of women ( over ...

...15) enjoying themselves. No masks, because they were eating and drinking, but NO social distancing. As the women concerned, then posted pictures of themselves on Facebook it was quickly learnt that they were from Camposol, from A,B C,and D. The restaurant was (according to police) crowded. So, all it would take is for 1 of those women to have picked up the virus, to be spreading it around Camposol. Restrictions are there for a reason. I do hope they are self isolating now.

As to Paul and Melinda's post. Yes  we know a virus is not 'alive' however it does contain DNA, to enable it to attach to a living host. That is how it is designed to survive.

You are able to infect others without showing symptoms. There is a 5 or 6 day period, when you are infectious, but do not know it. That is why there is a 14 day quarantine. source W.H.O. coronavirus  2020. 

Governments may not be telling the truth, just look at Mr Trump, and Mr Johnson, however Medics, scientists and the W.H.O. organisation are.

Why would you think Doctors would lie about the death rate?

"Medics, scientists and W.H.O., telling the truth"???. Seriously? Does anybody really believe that?

When I hear or consider information given out by any organisation I look to see who runs it.The W.H.O. (World Health Organisation) is led by Tedros Adhadom Ghebreyesus, he is not a medical doctor and is a member of a Marxist-Leninist Ethiopian political party that analysts have listed as a perpetrator of terrorism. 

On January 14, months after health officials are believed to have detected the first case of the virus in China on November 17 of last year, the W.H.O. promoted a Chinese claim (via Twitter) that there was “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.”
If you believe the W.H.O. you can't also believe the other things you have said (because they conflict). If you don't believe the W.H.O., you can't believe they tell the truth. Rather than be concerned (worried) about an alleged killer-virus perhaps a little research into those spreading the fears would not go amiss.
PeterC

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:40pm

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Richard10 wrote on Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:53pm:

I take it your a single misogynistic mr Peter those stupid women... sounds a bit bad in your tone. Why not go back to a certain Liverpool football match back at the start of this pandemic. following fans but they still Played it and hey how we have a time bomb... not many “ stupid women “ the...

...re but never let the crap ...reality get into your reality. Look at the hotspots

I am neither single nor mysogynistic - if it had been say a group of male golfers or football fans I would equally have described them as "stupid blokes". I am sick to death of the woke brigade who take offence at any accurate description of people. Many years ago I came across this when working in a civil service office - a visitor emerged from the lift on the floor where I worked, and asked if anyone could direct him to Mr X, who he had been told worked there. I knew the chap and simply said he could be found two work bays down, him sitting next to the black guy. Two idiots in my unit jumped and said I could not say that. Said black guy was the only non-white person in the department, and with me not knowing what shirt he had on that day used the most obvious identifying feature. Things have got worse since.

GrayTiger

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:52pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:52pm

PeterC wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:40pm:

I am neither single nor mysogynistic - if it had been say a group of male golfers or football fans I would equally have described them as "stupid blokes". I am sick to death of the woke brigade who take offence at any accurate description of people. Many years ago I came across this when working ...

...in a civil service office - a visitor emerged from the lift on the floor where I worked, and asked if anyone could direct him to Mr X, who he had been told worked there. I knew the chap and simply said he could be found two work bays down, him sitting next to the black guy. Two idiots in my unit jumped and said I could not say that. Said black guy was the only non-white person in the department, and with me not knowing what shirt he had on that day used the most obvious identifying feature. Things have got worse since.

They certainly have (got worse since then). It's beyond ridiculous! In many cases it's now illegal to tell the truth and the worst is yet to come! Thankfully (hopefully) we may not be around to see it.

Ali52

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:57pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:57pm

GrayTiger wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:29pm:

"Medics, scientists and W.H.O., telling the truth"???. Seriously? Does anybody really believe that?

When I hear or consider information given out by any organisation I look to see who runs it.The W.H.O. (World Health Organisation) is led by Tedros Adhadom Ghebreyesus, he is not a medical doctor and is a member of a Marxist-Leninist Ethiopian political party that analysts have listed as a perpet...

...rator of terrorism. 

On January 14, months after health officials are believed to have detected the first case of the virus in China on November 17 of last year, the W.H.O. promoted a Chinese claim (via Twitter) that there was “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.”
If you believe the W.H.O. you can't also believe the other things you have said (because they conflict). If you don't believe the W.H.O., you can't believe they tell the truth. Rather than be concerned (worried) about an alleged killer-virus perhaps a little research into those spreading the fears would not go amiss.

Oh help ! Are you serious??  Dr Tedros  Adhadom Ghebeyesus has a Phd in community health from Nottingham University. U.K. he has an MSC in immunology of Infectious diseases  from the University of London. He is globally recognised as a health scholar, researcher and a diplomat. Where on EARTH did you get your information from. He transformed health care in Ethiopia. He is absolutely the right man to be informing us. The information that you quote is inaccurate. 

So if you do not believe Medics  scientists, and WHO to tell the truth. Who do you believe? 

I take it to dispute the scientific evidence, you have at least a Bsc in immunology or epidemiology. 

Or are you someone who only believes what fits in your agenda? The science is real, the evidence is there. You are being informed. What do you base your beliefs on?

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