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CFC1905

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:27pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:27pm

So clearly it seems we cannot be seen trust politicians and yet we can trust dr. Tedros when immediately we have differing opinions from just 2 posters

Personally I do not think we will ever know how this started and whose fault it is byt like it or not we have to trust our elected politicians 8do the best for their respective countries

Ali52

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:51pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:51pm

CFC1905 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:27pm:

So clearly it seems we cannot be seen trust politicians and yet we can trust dr. Tedros when immediately we have differing opinions from just 2 posters

Personally I do not think we will ever know how this started and whose fault it is byt like it or not we have to trust our elected politicians 8do the best for their respective countries...

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I think it is important to state where people got their information from. I read scientific papers and reports from medics. All of which are peer group supervised. To become a doctor takes 7 years. That is a basic Dr.  To specialise is another 2 years at least. Ditto for a scientist with a masters or Phd. It is not a matter of opinion.  It is clear, evidence based conclusions. 

Why do you think they would be talking garbage? What do you base your opinion on?

Also we already know how this disease started. We also another one is on the way  unless we change our animal husbandry. And yes  I do think the Chinese have to do something urgently about their live dead meat markets. 

If I had to chose who to trust, I will go with the people who know. Not a politician who is looking at the next election.

GrayTiger

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:01pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:01pm

Ali52 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:57pm:

Oh help ! Are you serious??  Dr Tedros  Adhadom Ghebeyesus has a Phd in community health from Nottingham University. U.K. he has an MSC in immunology of Infectious diseases  from the University of London. He is globally recognised as a health scholar, researcher and a diplomat. Whe...

...re on EARTH did you get your information from. He transformed health care in Ethiopia. He is absolutely the right man to be informing us. The information that you quote is inaccurate. 

So if you do not believe Medics  scientists, and WHO to tell the truth. Who do you believe? 

I take it to dispute the scientific evidence, you have at least a Bsc in immunology or epidemiology. 

Or are you someone who only believes what fits in your agenda? The science is real, the evidence is there. You are being informed. What do you base your beliefs on?

There are numerous (infinitely too many resources to list here) on the history of Tedros - you only need to do some research. Unfortunately, those who believe politicians & MSM are those who prefer to believe lies and (for whatever reason) refuse to undertake independent research.

Further, it isn't my wish to offend anybody and I'm truly very sorry if you feel offended. I also don't want to get into any kind of protracted argument. I believe in the right of free speech and I therefore believe (and respect) your right to believe whatever you wish. To quote Beatrice Evelyn Hall - "I (may) disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.". I was brought up in a better world where my father often said this.

However, irrespective of what people believe, truth is truth and facts are facts! I said Tedros is NOT a medical doctor, which he isn't and "globally recognised health scholar" in real terms, is quite meaningless. As for "researcher", I'm one of those but please don't sing my praises - I don't deserve it! The link below is just one of dozens (perhaps hundreds or even thousands) of references relating to this dreadful corrupt person who it seems you look up to. 

https://frankreport.com/2020/04/14/the-ethiopian-terrorist-in-charge-of-the-world-health-organization-dr-tedros-adhanom/

Richard10

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:50pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:50pm

Ali52 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:51pm:

I think it is important to state where people got their information from. I read scientific papers and reports from medics. All of which are peer group supervised. To become a doctor takes 7 years. That is a basic Dr.  To specialise is another 2 years at least. Ditto for a scientist with a m...

...asters or Phd. It is not a matter of opinion.  It is clear, evidence based conclusions. 

Why do you think they would be talking garbage? What do you base your opinion on?

Also we already know how this disease started. We also another one is on the way  unless we change our animal husbandry. And yes  I do think the Chinese have to do something urgently about their live dead meat markets. 

If I had to chose who to trust, I will go with the people who know. Not a politician who is looking at the next election.

Evidence based in Covid corona 19 is a big and probably incorrect evidence . Covid 19 so at best or worst less than 9 months or so in existence..peer reviewed is great news but clearly it’s perhaps not a true understanding of a virus we have little or no real understanding of. 

Paul and Melinda

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23pm

Ali52 wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:42am:

Also, not a scientist, but an SRN, RMN, dip of Nursing. I can read and understand scientific papers, which is where I get my information from , oh and my friends, one of whom is a consultant physician in public health.

The uk government web site published on March 19th that they had downgraded sars-COV-2  COVID 19 and it was no longer a High Consequence Infectious Disease because of the low death rate. They said The initial status was being downgraded in the light of evidence showing it to be a mild respiratory disease. 
The inventor of the PCR test is Kary Mullis, he stated that the test is not intended for the detection of viruses and is unreliable when used that way. 

The USA Centre for Disease Control (CDC) 2 weeks ago stated that 94% of the positive tests should have been negative because the positive status was achieved by too many amplification cycles of the original swabs.

If you have a problem with the information it’s because it triggers cognitive dissonance.

Dr Fauci said months ago that no one should be wearing a face mask, they are totally ineffective for the control of viruses. 

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Paul and Melinda

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:41pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:41pm

Ali52 wrote on Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:31pm:

Unfortunately, although a lot of under 40's are showing as Covid positive and they have a much better percentage of recovering, as we know. It is the fact that they spread the virus. The vulnerable groups over 60, the immunocompromised,  diabetics, heart patients, etc etc are at extreme risk...

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Most of the people on Camposol fall into the more vulnerable category and we need to exercise caution and responsibility to ensure residents of Camposol are safe. 

So yes, I do think the women in that restaurant were selfish. They did not think of others , only themselves.  

As to Murcia Today, it seems to be a very responsible newspaper. I have not seen anything that is inaccurate.  The picture was sent to Murcia Today by the police. The editor did not make it up. It was also on El Pais on line.

The survival rate for elderly with other illnesses is in excess of 98%. This disease is is nothing at all other than a standard respiratory infection. 75% plus have full immunity derived from a life time of having had corona virus infections. Like all flu type diseases it kills the susceptible, many hundreds of thousands every year die from flu. 

GrayTiger

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:07pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:07pm

From extensive research of my own, I can't fault what you say. May I copy & paste your comments to share with friends? Do you object in any way?

CFC1905

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:36pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:36pm

So being a mere mortal what i cannot get my head around is if you can find such information why is it that no governments are able to find the same and use that knowledge in the way that you suggest/describe

Apologies, but I simply cannot believe that so many countries do not understand what is clearly obvious to you, fail to act accordingly and still believe this pandemic is a threat to all communities

Tony1948

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:56pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:56pm

Paul and Melinda wrote on Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23pm:

The uk government web site published on March 19th that they had downgraded sars-COV-2  COVID 19 and it was no longer a High Consequence Infectious Disease because of the low death rate. They said The initial status was being downgraded in the light of evidence showing it to be a mild respir...

...atory disease. 
The inventor of the PCR test is Kary Mullis, he stated that the test is not intended for the detection of viruses and is unreliable when used that way. 

The USA Centre for Disease Control (CDC) 2 weeks ago stated that 94% of the positive tests should have been negative because the positive status was achieved by too many amplification cycles of the original swabs.

If you have a problem with the information it’s because it triggers cognitive dissonance.

Dr Fauci said months ago that no one should be wearing a face mask, they are totally ineffective for the control of viruses. 

Er,,,

No. Your comment about Dr. Fauci relates to outdated information.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/

Roland

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:05pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:05pm

@CFC1905

Well said.

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