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datadezign

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:12am

datadezign

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:12am

Mags44 wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 10:55am:

As I explained previously, SUMA is a company that collects taxes on behalf of the Ayuntamientos of certain areas. Here is the Wikipedia explanation. If you live in Alicante Province then these would be the people to contact re: your IVTM (car tax) and IBI (council tax). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suma_Gesti%C3%B3n_Tributaria
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If you don't live in this area, then your local Ayuntamiento (town hall) will have an Oficina de Recaudación or Agencia Tributaria (collections or tax office) where these payments should be made and direct debits set up. When your car documents finally arrive and your car is finally registered with the DGT at your local Ayuntamiento/Suma office, if the receipt for this year's car tax is not attached to the documents, it is possible that the receipt will still be payable at the previous owner's Ayuntamiento, as the revised details may not be registered as yours until January 2023. Nothing to worry about here. Just be certain to pay 2022's before you pay 2023's and get both receipts to go with the one that you already have for 2021. Failure to pay any of them could result in an embargo on your bank account in the future (again, not a big worry but this was happening to a couple when I was in my local Oficina de Recaudación last month when I went to set up my own direct debits after moving into the area from a different Province of Spain. The couple just had to make the payment for the year that they hadn't paid by direct debit and it was all sorted. I hope that this doesn't sound too complicated but just wanted to warn you that all outstanding debts on the car are now yours to pay.

Thank you, as I had assumed then:

Car Tax payment is regional and not national as it is in the UK with the DVLA.

So as you've said

IVTM is for the Alicante region

SUMA is for my region (I am in Mazarron) is this for the Murcia region then?

The dealer, who I kep chasing for the IVTM probably wondered why I kept asking for it!!!! They did send me 2021, and th car was first registered in 2021, so as you advised I have proof of payment for this too.

I have contacted Seguro parking that look after our car when back in the UK, so although they charge for this service, I get certainty and peace of mind that I am compliant when we come back across next month. I will then go to my local bank Sabadell who will be able to setup a regular, annual Direct Debit, to ensure this is never missed.

I hope when I am over next month that the log book and any other documents will have arrived.

Sunnyspain

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:21am

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:21am

If you are in mazarron Car tax can be checked and paid online very easily just entering your nie and reg number

https://agenciatributaria.carm.es/duplicadorecibos

Choose VEHICULOS TRACCION from the tributo drop down menu

and enter area. Bill will appear if owed by yourself. It will show a long n28 number. Open up another link below where you can pay online

https://agenciatributaria.carm.es/web/guest/pasarelapagos

Open both in chrome

datadezign

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:58am

datadezign

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:58am

Sunnyspain wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 11:21am:

If you are in mazarron Car tax can be checked and paid online very easily just entering your nie and reg number

https://agenciatributaria.carm.es/duplicadorecibos

Choose VEHICULOS TRACCION from the tributo drop down menu

and enter area. Bill will appear if owed by yourself. It will show a long n28 number. Open up another link below where you can pay online

https://agenciatributaria.carm.es/web/guest/pasarelapagos

Open both in chrome

Thank you, but there is a field right at the bottom that states: Matrícula (Tuition)?? what should I enter in there?

Mags44

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:18pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:18pm

datadezign wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 11:12am:

Thank you, as I had assumed then:

Car Tax payment is regional and not national as it is in the UK with the DVLA.

So as you've said

IVTM is for the Alicante region

SUMA is for my region (I am in Mazarron) is this for the Murcia region then?

The dealer, who I kep chasing for the IVTM probably wondered why I kept asking for it!!!! They did send me 2021, and th car was first registered in 2021, so as you advised I have proof of payment for this too.

I have contacted Seguro parking that look after our car when back in the UK, so although they charge for this service, I get certainty and peace of mind that I am compliant when we come back across next month. I will then go to my local bank Sabadell who will be able to setup a regular, annual Direct Debit, to ensure this is never missed.

I hope when I am over next month that the log book and any other documents will have arrived.

No. SUMA is just for the Province of Alicante! If you live in Mazarron, then you are in Murcia and not in Alicante. The previous poster has informed you on how to pay your taxes there.

Sunnyspain

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:29pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:29pm

datadezign wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 11:58am:

Thank you, but there is a field right at the bottom that states: Matrícula (Tuition)?? what should I enter in there?

Leave that blank and press send

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datadezign

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:47pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:47pm

Mags44 wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 12:18pm:

No. SUMA is just for the Province of Alicante! If you live in Mazarron, then you are in Murcia and not in Alicante. The previous poster has informed you on how to pay your taxes there.

Sorry but totally confused again!!!

The document the dealer provide me with and they are in Cartagena, which I assume is in Mucia region is the Suma for 2021. Seguro also said that they would obtain the Suma for our car on our behalf, no its suggested suma is for the Alicante region ... so totally confused. 

Could some please let me know if I need the Suma or IVTM?

Our place is in Mazarron.

Sunnyspain

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:56pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:56pm

datadezign wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 12:47pm:

Sorry but totally confused again!!!

The document the dealer provide me with and they are in Cartagena, which I assume is in Mucia region is the Suma for 2021. Seguro also said that they would obtain the Suma for our car on our behalf, no its suggested suma is for the Alicante region ... so...

... totally confused. 

Could some please let me know if I need the Suma or IVTM?

Our place is in Mazarron.

I bought my car in Los alcazares but documents are in our address in mazarron

What address is on the documents you hold and have you tried the link I provided entering mazarron to see if it produces your car tax bill?

datadezign

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:04pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:04pm

Sunnyspain wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 12:29pm:

Leave that blank and press send

Tried that and it wont work states: No puede dejar el campo numerof vacio - You cannot leave the field numerof empty

Mags44

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:06pm

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:06pm

datadezign wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 12:47pm:

Sorry but totally confused again!!!

The document the dealer provide me with and they are in Cartagena, which I assume is in Mucia region is the Suma for 2021. Seguro also said that they would obtain the Suma for our car on our behalf, no its suggested suma is for the Alicante region ... so...

... totally confused. 

Could some please let me know if I need the Suma or IVTM?

Our place is in Mazarron.

There is no such tax as SUMA! SUMA is a collection company that collects taxes for the Alicante region. The tax is always called IVTM - Impuesto de Vehiculos de Tracción Mecánica but some people (who live in the Alicante region and get their taxes collected by SUMA) sometimes call their taxes SUMA as well.) Forget SUMA - your taxes will be payable in Murcia and will be called IVTM and IBI.

datadezign

Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:10pm

datadezign

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:10pm

Sunnyspain wrote on Wed May 25, 2022 12:56pm:

I bought my car in Los alcazares but documents are in our address in mazarron

What address is on the documents you hold and have you tried the link I provided entering mazarron to see if it produces your car tax bill?

The SUMA for 2021 which is when the car was first registered by the dealers (its an ex demo) so only the dealer owned this car. was registered 

ALICANTE-MURCIA 26

So assume I may need to search for the Alicante region and then .... change the region?. I have received the transfer of ownership document which has my name on it, so assume I may need to wait to receive something in the post that will have the Mazarron / Murcia region on there?

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