Camposol Meeting January 10th 2020 - Page 3

Complain & avoid paying for as long as possible. Then camposol will never get finished by the council.

At the end of the day, we all paid low money for a place in the sun & didn't moan at that time. But now its suggested we all pay 250 euros per year. And most people are moaning.

If we want camposol brought up to speed, then agree now to pay the money and get work started.

I will not be attending a waist of time meeting, as i want to get on with it. 

twinselect - where did this €250 payment originate from ? I have never seen any official payment yearly or monthly, officially quoted. It is a drop in the ocean in the estimated €10 million needed.  It needs to be done immediately now, after delaying so long. Then your fantasy €250 a year might just be enough to maintain everything ongoing.

frequentflyer/twinselect  I find your comments totally unacceptable, and without empathy for anyone in an inferior financial situation to yourself(ves)  It is not a question of being able, or unable, to afford €250, it is the principle of whether you actually want to. As for your advice to pay up, or ship out, -  I won't be complying. After being here for the past 16 years with a prepaid funeral plan in place; given my propensity for obtaining value for money, -  that would be a no no.

The 250 euro was a figure plucked out of the air by certain parties that post on here.

I am sure that it ever comes down to actually paying any sum of money it will be based either on the square metres of you plot or the value of your property.

Therefore some people will pay a lot less than 250 euro per year and some people will pay an awful lot more.

Snowkatt57. Are you with the residents or not? Why on earth did you suggest most of the residents knew what they were buying  and should stop whingeing. 

Ignorance is no excuse in law, however, those residents in this dilemma wouldn't have known what sort of problematic situation they would find themselves in the future. 

Be very empathetic when we are discussing something of this nature because some of their funds would have come from any of the following, pension lump sum, life savings, selling their houses back in their home country to come and live in a peaceful environment where they can enjoy their retirement.

We should find a workable solution to minimise the uncertainties and agonies that are facing the residents.

I, for one, don't object to pay extra €250 per year but this is not the issue. The mistakes were made both by Masa and the Council in the first instance. Since Masa is no longer in the picture, the Council should take on the responsibilities to do the urgent repairs where they are most required. The council can approach the local authority or the government for funds to resolve these issues.

We should table all our concerns on the 10th Jan during the next meeting. Those  that shouted most are mostly heard.

We should, as residents put our resources together to fight this injustice.

Thank you.

Roland, I strongly object to your statement that we as taxpayers should be made to clear this mess. It wasn't the residents fault that this occurred but the Councils. 

Residents bought their properties in good faith, hence, there is no guilt here. If you sell an unmerchantable item, the consumer should be protected in law to return the goods and demand a refund. Unfortunately, this is a mega amount that we are discussing here, therefore, the Council should be made aware to protect the innocent people against these con men where possible.

If any estate agents should fall into this category, they shouldn't be allowed to sell any property in Camposol or anywhere in Mazarron.

Zacdog, you are funny. Snowflake is now melting. Just remember, we have many days of sunshine in Spain, that should quicken the meltdowns.

I mentioned earlier that the whole situation is complex, You might not agree, but it is. At some point in the future the areas designated 'private' will have a community administrator to collect fees and manage the upkeep of the area, and all owners will have to pay their share and obey ALL the rules of the administrator.. You can't plead ignorance and just opt out!

Any non payments are made up by increasing the share to all the payers. Non payers are asked to pay up, together with any arrears and if they still refuse it goes to the courts and the final outcome can be legally taking your house off you! Community fees are based on area and the administrator will employ an architect to work out the coefficient for each property. When this happens to you, get it checked thoroughly as it's almost impossible to change it.....I've been there!

Regarding the other roads and infrastructure, it does become more complicated. Masa originally bought the land for peanuts, constructed whatever they did including roads and then went bust. So who owns the land where the roads are? Not Masa, nor the Council because they only 'own' what they adopted. I don't know if there was an administrator appointed when Masa went bust, but I suspect there was and they would have taken on the ownership of that land in the interim.

In this complex situation it's totally unfair to blame everyone else and expect the Council, funded by all taxpayers of the region to bail Camposol out. Anyone who has bought a resale on Camposol knew what they were getting into but chose to ignore it, tempted by the cheap prices and persuaded by agents no doubt. Even many who originally bought off plan soon realised how Masa operated and many took back their deposits. So why should you ask for people on here to have empathy?

There is so much rubbish posted on here.

Realistically, read your Escritura see what is included or excluded.  There is need to put together plans and demands upon Mazarrón but it is now more than 20 years since all this was commenced.  There are laws regional, national and EU which can be invoked, with proper steps involved.  Sadly, these are not the steps which Mr Finnegan incorporates within the start of this thread where many of his statements are erroneous   

As previously stated I have empathy for the residents and non-residents who've been on Camposol for years. At the end of the day, it's in our deeds, whether we were or not informed is irrelevant. If the residents want to make Camposol better for everyone, then we have no alternative but to set up the Community of Owners, as Mazzaron Council will not and are probably not obliged to fix all roads, or lights etc on the urbanisation. Why not just swallow this bitter pill, and move on; and improve Camposol.

At the end of day, cost for all owners, will be down to the square footage of property - if residents own a property with big square footage they will have a larger bill than someone that only has a small property. Having all these meetings and opting not to pay, is just like hitting your head against a brick wall and getting a massive headache, the area of Camposol will get worse, we as residents will only have ourselves to blame if we don't make the improvements as no doubt in due course costs will soar for repairs.

It's time for residents and non-residents to take head out of sand or bottom, set up the Community of Owners if you want improvements. If you don't want improvements - keep putting head up one's own bottom or in the sand.