Are the EU negotiators a bunch of bullies - Page 15

May said a lot of things a long time ago. She has yet to deliver anything. 

Not sure why you're calling me a loser? Maybe you can explain

Also, why have you chosen to move to Spain? 

Speaking of lying politicians and no democracy….you should come to Belgium, it's much, much worse !

Not sure who your response is meant for can not be me as not put u in that bracket however there are many. My reason for Spain was the weather I suffer from a botched back operation that left me invalid after being in Spain with the help of morphone I am able to walk and act normal no continue damp but the Spanish are very friendly and we get on well with them so I for one hope that Brexit does not change our position here 

I do believe that they can not do without the income from expats 

Dugman, without knowing you, the impression one gets is that you may be a remainer. Which in turn suggests you may be a sore loser at the Brexit outcome. I may be wrong and I apologise if I am, unless you tell me otherwise. On the question of why I chose to live in Spain. Firstly, I don't live here permanently, I split my time between the U.K. Spain and touring the continent with a motorhome. Spain offered me a slower pace of life and somewhere I feel comfortable in. The chance to be in close proximity with the U.K. if I need to return relatively quickly, but experience a completely different culture. If you want to question me on why I voted to leave the E.U. yet want to have a foot in Spain, it's the fact that I believe every country should retain sovereignty over themselves to decide their future, their destiny. Not be ruled by some outdated unelected beauracratic organisation who is wanting world domination under a "European" flag. Even now, there are noises being made as to a European army. How long before each and every country bends to the will of one dictator..... Merkel perhaps. Saw it 1939/45, don't want a repeat.... I don't mind if when Britain leaves the "club" it costs me money for a visa to visit, I've paid it before to visit other countries but I'll be happier knowing we make our own rules and regulations, we say how many fish are caught in our waters and we at last, become an independent force again on the world stage.

Watching the world at war on yesterday on TV 

Watched the Dutch Belgiums and French welcoming waving German troops into there overun countries the Germans could not beat the allies in two world wars yet they are trying to take over Europe financially with the help of the French ?? 

Why can we and the rest of Europe not see this 

Thanks, that is quite a comprehensive reply Vista 

I'm neither a remainer or pro-brexit. I haven't lived in the UK for 40 years (although I visit very frequently) so I'm an observer in all of this. 

I'd be the first to agree that the EU is run by a bunch of self serving incompetent gimps. And agree with you that a European army is a dumb idea. However I struggle to see how Britain will be better off under the likes of Johnson or Rhys Mogg. I can't imagine either of them taking a leisurely stroll through the likes of Oldham or Birkenhead and taking on board the options and concerns of the locals. They just don't strike me as those kinda guys. 

Also given the chance of a no deal exit - this is possibly of restrictuon of movement of UK citizens across the EU. Why even risk that? I know there have been assurances etc, but nothing is actually agreed. 

I spend a lot of time in Germany, and as the most recent elections there will show you the threat of Merkel (or Makron in France) as a power has gone. There is an unfortunate rise in the right wing vote there but it is unlikely to sweep a candidate to power because of the educated youth vote. Most of the older German people I know lost relatives during the war. Their children are acutely aware of this. 

Absolutely. Its irrelevant to owners/expats whether we are in or out of eu. Only thing affecting ex pats is value of pound which will bounce back and no doubt be strong after the readjustment. For true Brits we will no longer be paying for almond fields to be built and irrigated or all the other subsidies wasted paying for other unelected people to corruptly and or immorally line their pockets at the British taxpayers expense. Most sensible people know they are only here for the sunshine and very little else as they know they are only immigrants in someone elses country and wont get any priority over the Spanish who smile sweetly as they take our money but otherwise resent our presence  and envy us our enterprise and good fortune. They are allowed to move here because they have benefited from the freedom of choice and movement afforded them by  the most stable and long lasting democracy in the world. I really dont understand the bitter people who knock their great country and the great gifted and enterprising people who built it. Its equivalent to knocking a Rolls Royce because you drive around in a Seat.

In modern vernacular you could be described as a troll. If you havent been a resident of the UK for 40years then you have missed a great deal and are not justified an opinion as you are out of touch and have contributed nothing. You are akin to the BBC Trump knockers - Its the American peoples business not ours as we do not participate or contribute to their system.

Wonder how many of the ex pat UK knockers , when their pockets are empty, will run home to be looked after by the British state and taxpayers money in their old age?

If you are happy where you are why do you feel the necessity to criticise Great Britain when you are not qualified so to do?

You are mistaken demos  ,the Dutch ,belgiums ,French didn't wave to  the Nazi aggressors ,when they were invaded in their countries  .Sudetans ,and Austrians did .The Eu is controlled by the European Central Bank, and that Is effectively controlled by the Germans ,who through hard work and using The Marshall aid effectively, that was given to them by the USA  after the Second World War ,grew there economy and wealth, to become one of the richest countries in the World .Unlike the uk they didn't squander Marshall aid on useless wars (Palestine ,Greece ,Kenya to name a few )or Pretending to be a world power.Why ,I ask the question ,in a country that has so many homeless and hungry people out there on the streets still spending Billions on two aircraft carriers .Illusions of past glories. I think .

Im not sure we are being bullied but are being given the straight facts .We may control our destiny ,but if the Eu don't want to trade with us then hard times a coming.Im not sure in this world of power blocks, (global)we as a country can Survive ,healthily on our own. To date no one be it brexiteers or remainers  have given us the full facts so into the unknown we go .Its no good saying we got on okay before we were in the Eu .Things have changed since we joined in the 70s. manufacturing is a shadow of its former self ,Service industries are our main wealth generator.As the BBC question time woman said "we are not sitting at the table but on the menu".Anyway it's not about us,all this ,it's about our Grandchildren.Not sure of the answer but another vote  with all the facts presented to us should show us the road we need to go.Clever weasel politicians words sold Jo Public a pup last time ,lets demand the truth this time not billions going back to health care from saving on our contribution to the eu .Lets be given the truth!

I believe Vista means No deal (correct me if I'm wrong) and a lot of people, including myself would prefer that despite the short term disruption from which we can rebuild stronger and independant. Certainly not a new negotiation. If Brussels had appeased Cameron and reformed none of this would have happened .As it is they have treated UK with contempt. Sanchez wrongly interpreting he had seen a wounded animal to pick on and talking big for short term domestic political gain was possibly the last straw for me. Small people figure heading undemocratic corrupt governments.

 As a side, when one of our political party leaders has a long pony tail, then I may start to retract my belief in Britain.