Are the EU negotiators a bunch of bullies - Page 34

Most EU workers go to Britain to work and they contribute considerably to the economy. They tend to be skilled and very hard working. I agree that the bulk of people living off social security tend to be British. 

I think we need to show respect for people on both sides of the argument if we are ever going to resolve this. I'm in favour of remaining because I look at the bigger picture than just what is best for the UK. One of the benefits of the EU and cooperation between nations is it reduces the risk of conflict and that must be a good thing. I don't for a moment say the EU is perfect and doesn't need to change, but I think those who seek to destroy it need to be careful what they wish for 🤔 I also feel some of the reasons people have given for wanting to leave are actually failings within our own government which they have tried to blame on the EU. 

I also voted to remain but that's irrelevant.

There was a referendum. The majority voted to leave the EU. Therefore Britain needs to leave or it makes a mockery of democracy. You could argue until the cows come home as to whether there should have been a referendum in the first place but it doesn't change where we are now.

The last 3 years have demonstrated how ignorant and horrible some people can be. It's shown what a shambles the House of Commons is. The Queen is reported as being unimpressed with the way the country was being governed 3 years ago, what must she think now? The same as the rest of us I imagine.

Democracy gives most adults the right to vote, whether they're smart or thick, tolerant or prejudiced, educated or not. Leaving the EU may not be the best thing for the UK, we will find out soon enough I think. But would anyone want to change our system of democracy because some of those in the minority refuse to accept the outcome of a vote?

Yes but the same people who talk about democracy then support bypassing parliament to get their own way! That's just hypocritical. Plus the vote was always advisory which means it's not legally binding. 

But it's not "their own way". It's the will of the majority of the electorate.

If the majority had voted to remain in the EU, do you think those who had voted to leave would be bleating on about it year after year? I don't.

I voted "remain". I "lost". I accept I am in the minority, therefore Britain should leave. I do not think MY opinion is more important than the majority of voters - unlike people like Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry etc etc.

The question is why can a so called government govern properly in the interests of its own people and do things right. The Queen is quite right to be disappointed at the caliber of people running the country. They all have made a complete mess of this and there is no upside to the whole thing. Britain still has to trade with Europe and will have to abide by their standards. Only difference will be that they won’t have any say in regulations in the future. And will be eating American chicken and who knows what else. But they will just have to get on with it. That’s democracy!!!

But democracy is only valid if people are given the opportunity to change their minds. Which we have every 5 years when we decide on the government. So why should a non-binding vote in which much of the promises and "facts" were misleading be seen as democratic? The only way is a legally binding vote. 

Decisions of such importance often would require a higher majority. In some places 60%.The significance of the vote was never made clear and the misinformation was ridiculous. No great democracy happening when Scotland, Northern Ireland and the greater London area voted to remain. There is nothing to be gained. And the rise of inward looking Nationalism will harm Britain 🇬🇧 n the long run. It will soon be England rather than Great Britain. That’s democracy!!!

Yup, that's democracy!

Could've been worse, we might have been born in the USA ……..

The figures for EU migration ...are easy to get...just go on migration watch UK and all the EU/others are freely available ...stop blaming the people that voted leave ..if you want to blame anyone then Blame the political establishment that did not listen to the concerns of the majority of the population in the UK .. the political establishment is still not listening .. with quite a few MPs voting against the constituents that voted them in as MPs ...the remain camp have had 3 year's to  implement changes that concern the leave camp ..and the haven't done so basically because they have no power to do so without the permission of the EU.