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andymac1951

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:21pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:21pm

RichT wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:39pm:

As per part of one of my other posts in this thread...

I understand the point that if I choose to live in Spain, then why should I vote in the UK? In my case, I own a house in the UK, have UK pensions, pay tax in the UK, have a UK passport & citizenship -  and I am also impacted by certain UK laws, policies, etc. (e.g. my right to vote, pens...

...ions, tax, travel requirements, etc.), so I feel that I should have the right to take part in the democratic process that influences these laws, etc. 

Clearly, I am also impacted by laws, policies, etc. of Spain (the country where I live), but I don't have the right to take part in all the Spanish elections.

In this we must agree to disagree Rich.

Mags44

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:34pm

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Andymac wrote on Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:06pm:

I just do not get it, if, like me, you have chosen to leave the country of your birth and reside elsewhere (I have for the past 20 years or so) then why do you believe you have the right to vote in any election?

Well, it takes all sorts I suppose! Imagine that you had never had a vote anywhere and were ruled by those who think that they are better than you, know more than you, and consider you as totally insignificant. That's how it used to be before the peasants were given the right to vote. Of course, I would rather be allowed to vote in the country in which I have lived for more than 40 years, have owned various properties in various parts of the country, and live my life 100%, but until that happens, I have the opportunity of voting in the country of my citizenship, where my rights are controlled by a group of people who do not have my best interests at heart. Apathy never achieves anything, ever!

andymac1951

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:56pm

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Mags44 wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:34pm:

Well, it takes all sorts I suppose! Imagine that you had never had a vote anywhere and were ruled by those who think that they are better than you, know more than you, and consider you as totally insignificant. That's how it used to be before the peasants were given the right to vote. Of course, ...

...I would rather be allowed to vote in the country in which I have lived for more than 40 years, have owned various properties in various parts of the country, and live my life 100%, but until that happens, I have the opportunity of voting in the country of my citizenship, where my rights are controlled by a group of people who do not have my best interests at heart. Apathy never achieves anything, ever!

Once again as I have stated before, we must agree to disagree.  

Helena64

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:48am

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Csibike wrote on Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:08pm:

BTW, there are no English citizens, only British citizens. And EU citizenship gave us freedom of movement, our young had Erasmus, our scientists had Horizon, our pharmaceutical industry had the European Medicine Agency and we could vote in the EU elections. 
if German or Spaniards, or Fre...

...nch citizens live abroad, they can still vote in their home countries. Residency is not the same as citizenship. Inform yourself, please. 

Yes, indeed.

And, as retired professional musicians in a BBC orchestra, our young had the chance of playing in the European Community Youth Orchestra, touring round Europe, playing with other European players, with the management based in the UK. Our players have lost that right and the management has moved to Europe. A great tragedy.

Mags44

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:29pm

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Well, I've just received the confirmation that I am now registered as a voter in the old constituency where I last voted 41 years ago. I'm giving my daughter my proxy vote to ensure that it is accepted in time, rather than doing a postal vote that may or may not arrive in time to be counted. Sorted!

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Csibike

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:01pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:01pm

Helena64 wrote on Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:48am:

Yes, indeed.

And, as retired professional musicians in a BBC orchestra, our young had the chance of playing in the European Community Youth Orchestra, touring round Europe, playing with other European players, with the management based in the UK. Our players have lost that right and the management has moved t...

...o Europe. A great tragedy.

European  Movement U.K. is starting a campaign for artist’s rights. Please, join! 

https://www.europeanmovement.co.uk/ 
the campaign will launch in Gebruary. 

Csibike

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:05pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:05pm

Helena64 wrote on Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:48am:

Yes, indeed.

And, as retired professional musicians in a BBC orchestra, our young had the chance of playing in the European Community Youth Orchestra, touring round Europe, playing with other European players, with the management based in the UK. Our players have lost that right and the management has moved t...

...o Europe. A great tragedy.

My Dad was a musician in a symphony orchestra and our family would starve now as touring globally was vital for their income. Not just freedom of movement without work visas is a huge loss, but importing the instruments across every single border is complex and expensive now. A violinist friend had to get a certificate that her violin had no ivory. Extra cost meant she has cancelled the trip.

Helena64

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:10pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:10pm

Csibike wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:01pm:

European  Movement U.K. is starting a campaign for artist’s rights. Please, join! 

https://www.europeanmovement.co.uk/ 
the campaign will launch in Gebruary. 

Thanks for letting me know.

Will do!

Helena 

Helena64

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:12pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:12pm

Csibike wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:05pm:

My Dad was a musician in a symphony orchestra and our family would starve now as touring globally was vital for their income. Not just freedom of movement without work visas is a huge loss, but importing the instruments across every single border is complex and expensive now. A violinist friend h...

...ad to get a certificate that her violin had no ivory. Extra cost meant she has cancelled the trip.

Oh wow! Which orchestra and what instrument?

Fortunately, like your dad, we retired before Brexit but we still have many musician friends who are going through this nightmare. 

RichT

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:22pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:22pm

Csibike wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:05pm:

My Dad was a musician in a symphony orchestra and our family would starve now as touring globally was vital for their income. Not just freedom of movement without work visas is a huge loss, but importing the instruments across every single border is complex and expensive now. A violinist friend h...

...ad to get a certificate that her violin had no ivory. Extra cost meant she has cancelled the trip.

I'm pretty sure most of the countries in the EU made an exception for musicians and other workers in that field, so they don't need a work visa for tours of up to 90 days..?

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